Justintoxicated Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 well put. I think I'm going to go back to looking up info for my shee on the repairs forum . me too I need more Carb info you go to SDSU right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducman Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Love it ur leave it! U like Canada better, well then get aaaaaaaaaout! J/K I guess I am somewhat of a bush fan. Now matter how the war is being handled or how we were led into it, Iraq and many other countries for that matter are a menace to all free societies and none of the limp dick European countries are going to do shit to patrol their own back yard save for maybe the UK (Tony Blair Rocks ). Ude's days of cruising around on the weekend looking for weddings to crash so he can get the first crack at the virgin bride right before she is married are over. The days of mass graves in Iraq are over. And one day if the Iraqis don't F-up there new found freedom the world will be a beter place. Bush is not a stand by and talk his way out of situations president, he lets his actions speak for him. He kicks ass and takes names later. I like having someone in charge that's not a "lets do what the biased media polls say I should do, wade through and get bogged down in the red tape, limp wristed, kinda leader." And, I'm not going to criticise the minor details along the way. Wars are messy and sure, the media is trying to make it sound bad to elect the next demo president. Believe me, I live in CA and when Bush came out talking about initiating an illegal immigrant workers bill, (AKA amnesty bill) that was almost a deal breaker for me and if he persues it anymore I'll drop his ticket like a rock, so I'm by no means a diehard bush fan. And take it from me being a government employee, all the "lets spend Government money on XYZ instead of the war" talk is BS, the government can easily waste more money on social programs that grow and feed on themselves requireing more money each year than any exhisting private industry based system can or Bush could waste on any war. Once you create a deeply beaurocratic government system your stuck with it. Why do you think CA had to borrow 15 Bil just to say afloat this year? And we the people have nothing or very little to show for the money the was spent and or wasted in the booming years before the recession. If anything we would all be better off just having left the money in our pockets rather than spending it on the war or social programs but I believe the war is a good cause and an investment in the worlds future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelbanshee2 Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 uhhh capitalism and democracy dont mix? thats strange our country used both and went from nothing to world super power in less than 200 years... there are countries that have been around forever that have one but not the other that are not near as succesful as us. Look at the coutries using socialism..not doing as good are they? even if things seem to be good for them now it wont last. and free health care isnt really free...you know why? the tax payers pay for it. why should i pay for someone elses health care? Seems like we have gotten along very fine without "free health care" havin the government manage things only screws everything up. They take 10 dollars for health care and give 5 back. the only way capitalism doesnt work is when a socialist government starts to overbear on it and F it up. Oh and we arnt a democracy we are a republic. A democracy is run %100 on voting by the people. a republic people vote for representatives in government. And the reason there wernt protests for WW2 is people wernt pussies back then and they knew what needed to be done. oh and circumstances were completely different back then? wasnt there some great depression back then that probably left alot of people without jobs too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee~ Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 CNN is 100% BS.FoxNews is the best news station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 uhhh capitalism and democracy dont mix? thats strange our country used both and went from nothing to world super power in less than 200 years... there are countries that have been around forever that have one but not the other that are not near as succesful as us. Look at the coutries using socialism..not doing as good are they? even if things seem to be good for them now it wont last. and free health care isnt really free...you know why? the tax payers pay for it. why should i pay for someone elses health care? Seems like we have gotten along very fine without "free health care" havin the government manage things only screws everything up. They take 10 dollars for health care and give 5 back. the only way capitalism doesnt work is when a socialist government starts to overbear on it and F it up. Oh and we arnt a democracy we are a republic. A democracy is run %100 on voting by the people. a republic people vote for representatives in government. And the reason there wernt protests for WW2 is people wernt pussies back then and they knew what needed to be done. oh and circumstances were completely different back then? wasnt there some great depression back then that probably left alot of people without jobs too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelbanshee2 Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 ducman, you had me liking you until you said you were a government employee my father has a great quote he says to people when they say they are governemnt employees "I always wondered how the soviets got men to drive tanks against their own people, now i know." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANDSTAR Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Everyone needs to drop the old "jobs are going overseas" whine. Unemployment is at a historically low level. Last I looked, unemployment was around 6%. 4% of these people are transitional workers--in the middle of changing jobs. That leaves a 2% jobless level. If your job was worth what you were getting paid, it would not have gone over seas. Does it make you feel like a loser that Chico in mexico can screw nuts on a car just as good as you? EDUCATE YOURSELF. Make yourself so valuable that your boss can't afford to ship your job out. Or better yet, be your own boss. As far as canada's great health care system, I have a buddy that grew up in canada. He told me his mother died of pnumonia because they had to wait 5 weeks to get a hospital bed. I find our health care system just fine. If you got cash, you got a hospital bed. As for Iraq----Think of your Mother, Sisters,Daughters----Now think STATE SANCTIONED RAPE ROOMS. F-ck Saddam. We did what we had to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdcoxwell Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Actually toxic, I'm new to this game. I bought some carbs off of dirtclog b/c he had the tors removal kit on'em. I have an 87' shee that is in pretty bad shape, shee sat up for about 10yrs. I've replaced the statar, cdi from crash is on the way, coil is working, so if I don't get a spark after all that i will . I guess the next thing is to replace the wiring harness. My bros. had her, he was killed in a car crash about 12yrs ago, so I'm will restore her like new, except some mods, but the end result will look like a brand new 87' just rolled off the lot. It's just going to take some time, I hope not too long though. You guys here have save me quite-a-bit of money. The steelership wanted between $1500-$2000 just to get it running. If the cdi box works, I will have a total of $210 in her to get that spark. Thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdcoxwell Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Oh yea, I don't know what SUSD is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintoxicated Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 (edited) uhhh capitalism and democracy dont mix? thats strange our country used both and went from nothing to world super power in less than 200 years... there are countries that have been around forever that have one but not the other that are not near as succesful as us. Look at the coutries using socialism..not doing as good are they? even if things seem to be good for them now it wont last. and free health care isnt really free...you know why? the tax payers pay for it. why should i pay for someone elses health care? Seems like we have gotten along very fine without "free health care" havin the government manage things only screws everything up. They take 10 dollars for health care and give 5 back. the only way capitalism doesnt work is when a socialist government starts to overbear on it and F it up. Oh and we arnt a democracy we are a republic. A democracy is run %100 on voting by the people. a republic people vote for representatives in government. And the reason there wernt protests for WW2 is people wernt pussies back then and they knew what needed to be done. oh and circumstances were completely different back then? wasnt there some great depression back then that probably left alot of people without jobs too? your so far off you just fell of the edge of the earth... 1) the reason there were not protests durring WW2 is because there was no real reason to protest, no matter how you look at it, thee was only one solution, to fight, wether over our own land or another. We were directly being attacked by other countries, in fact, we did not go to war untill after we were attacked. I don't think people have changed that much over the past years as far as their views on war, it not that there were no "pussies" as you say, its simple that that war was COMPLEATLY about something else. There were no conflicting views, nor alternative actions. We were only 100% defending ourselves. 2) I think you just figured out what I ment by there is no way to have a true democracy through capitalism only a "specialized form" that is a weak democracy or even a special form of a republic. peoples votes do nto even matter, only votes from the electoral college. 3) as far as health care, think of it this way, you pay for it anyways, wether you use it that month/week/day or not, so why not jsut pay a tax instead, Either way your paying for it...And besides, who said it would have to be directly an additional tax? Taxes are already increasing for the war etc....So your going to end up paying more taxes either way Besides, it was just an example The Trouble is, Capitalists do not end up paying taxes 9 times out of 10, they find loopholes in which they themselves create, or are refunded in other ways. For example they may donate to a political campaign to help someone win, who in turn pays them back in other means, then the can write it off their taxes even though they were really paying for a favor...Of course tracking things like this is almost impossible, because the complexity of the system, and the way they do it is easily hidden and masked. While the rest of us 98% give up a shiload to pay our taxes, and have a hard time writing huge portions of it off. statements like "we have gotten along fine without free health care are a bit bold"...This depends who you talk to. Hundreads of people die every day because they cannot afford healthcare. I think you just want to argue cdcoxwell, Ahh I had yo confused with someone else, I rmemebr you PMed me a while back for something, but I fergot what it was I helped you with, or if I did lol...Now if only I could get my own damned banshee running correctly. As for the unemployment thing over the US it is at a pretty low level, the point is that Recently, it COULD be even lower! its just high enough so that there is a reserve army of labor, and jsut high enough so that if you refuse to work because your not getting paid enough, that there will be just enough people willing to work that we can undercut ourselves and help the wealthy get richer, but yes Historicaly it has been higher. SANDSTAR, there is always someone who will be willing to work for less than your making, and might even do a better job, when they have nothing at all. Yes they want you to work as hard as you can to secure your position, but if your working twice as hard as someone else who does not have to worry about it, shoulden't you get paid more rather than jsut "not get fired"? I'm guessing you don't live in Cali either.... I graduate next month and have been looking for a Comp Sci type position for the past 2 years and have found NOTHING. even with a high college GPA...And it sounds like your suggesting that it is Moraly Ok to pay people slave labor wages in other countries because thats all these jobs are worth? Dude think about it! thats not the reason! the reason is simply to make MORE capital than they would be making here, and to compeat in the Global Market. If there was 100% employment then the power would be in the hands of the workers and not the companies, becase we could quit working if the conditions were too bad and they would be forced to pay us mroe because they need people to work so they can make their money! Edited April 29, 2004 by Justintoxicated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdcoxwell Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 huge cooperations are gone or going oveseas. No ifs, ands or buts about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdcoxwell Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Just listening to the news and Kerry met today, are you ready, THE NATIONAL CONGRESS OF BLACK MAYORS . What is that and is their a CONGRESS OF WHITE MAYORS. How does something like this even acknowledged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducman Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 rebelbanshe2, yeah, I work for the deprtment of transportation so I'll probably be layed off as soon as the Japaneese can develop a shovel that can stand up on it's own. Seriously, there are a lot of people trying to make a difference but government is soo beaurocratic. I worked in construction in the private industry and jumped over the fence so now for the State. The problem I see, to give a couple examples, is that there are soo many regulations, both environmental and to do with liability with the public that it creates so much red tape to go through, requires so much more staffing, cost the contractor so much more to build the project because of constraints we are forced to put on them to built it, that things end up costing 4x as much buy the time it is finished, and that is a waste of taxpayers money. And your right, it is not exactly a Democracy, it's a Republic of States who chooses leaders who then must go through a Democratic process to represent and to get what each state wants. The problem is when the Government gets so big that is begins to take on a life of its own, feeding on itself by making rules that require more government jobs to satiffy the reules and governing against its constituents wishes which leads it towards a socialist society. "Big brother knows best" is bulshit. The US Government was originally created to unify all of the territories which became the "States" in a group effort to fend against forien countries, England, France, ect. so the people could be free from tyrany, own land, and ability to controll their own destiny and sucess, not to ensure that we all will get free health care! We all have equal rights, but not an equal right to a piece of the pie without earning it. You have to go out and get your own damb piece of pie! If the US didn't run on capitolism then all of the kick ass money driven industries and oportunities and the possiblility to make a good life for yourself (if your willing to work for it) wouldn't exist. If your in a dead end job where you can't afford any of the extras in life then go get educated or get a better job or work harder, if you stay there its because you choose to. Thats why the US, per capita, has the most productive workers in the world. If you want it bad enough, you can go out and get it! In a Socialist society there isn't as much incentive to be sucessful because you get stripped of your proffits over a certain point and the people that may not work as hard are given a leg up so everyone is artificailly make more equal. And thats why America kicks ass! and they suck ass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelbanshee2 Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 (edited) Youre allright ducman! At least you know whats going on Ive re-read your post 3 times now, its just so true! If you think about it most of the problems today can all go back to the government being too big and powerful....and what did we revolt from england for? an $.08 stamp tax? I tell ya George Washington would be loading his musket right now.... We were directly being attacked by other countries, in fact, we did not go to war untill after we were attacked. hmmm whats that catchy date again? oh yeah 9-11 i think a few people died then becasue of these people....or wasnt that an attack.... The Trouble is, Capitalists do not end up paying taxes 9 times out of 10 hehe you make me laugh as far as health care, think of it this way, you pay for it anyways, wether you use it that month/week/day or not, so why not jsut pay a tax instead, Either way your paying for it except with the government you are paying WAY more for it and its so covered in red tape we all get F-ed I think you just want to argue i think you spent too much time in a liberal CA university Edited April 30, 2004 by rebelbanshee2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokeStonedBiker Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 im just gonna sit here and see what happends i cant waite till im about 65 (45 years from now) its gonna be cool people are gonna get the planet so poluted that it wont be able to sustain its self. all the water is going to be polluted. people are going to die of cancer and have all these kinds of physical problems. people are going to go to war to fight over silly things. people are going to try to rule other countries so they can feel like there GOD. there will be all kinds of birth defects to children and there parrents will get worried and they will try to change the way we deal with polution. mean while you get these stupid people who couldnt care less and ump oil into the ocean and try to clean it up with other toxic chemmicals then declaring it as safe to swim in. they will probably do this to there food to they will add all kinda of chemicals to it and then they will have a certain amouth of toxin that is considerd GRAS (grnerally regarded as safe). they will tell you what is good to eat and what you should avoid, because all these people wont have a conscious to tell them what is good for them or not, so they get to be told by a "profecianal" what is right and wrong. they will have other "profecionals" try to come up with a cure for all these diseases with everyone ones money that they get from something called Taxes. though as much as they try they can never get a cure for cancer, and they just hide people symptoms of all there diseases so they feel like normal people and they dont have to be botherd being concoius about there state of well being. they go to war trying to kill off the bad people but they find out that you just cant kill them all and there will always be evil, that lurkes in the dark places. so they try to make jail cells to keep these people. and they waist there life containing these beasts, and when they come home from work they take out there hard day on there family and there family resents this mad ness that was brought into their home and they drive each other nuts, trying to put the blame on every one else and manipulating them. makeing them feel guilty so they can feel right. while the guilty ones become people pleasers trying to get approval from the these minipulaters. LMAO The truth shall set you free. if you take this red pill you can take the journey and see how deep the rabbit hole goes, or you can take the blue pill and and wake up and not remember anything. but takeing away someones dictator is like them killing your loved ones. they will hate you for it. they will try to find new parents (dictators). and they will try to get revenge at what ever expense. these people are crazzy and the sad part is that dont know there crazzy. thats what makes them crazzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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