nater006 Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 How are these? They look nice and it seems like lots of people have 'em on various machines. Found an article that basically said that the pullrod on them is really thin and like a bicycle spoke. Easy to break? The Billetanium one looks nice but $400 is a lot of dough for that assembly. I have the opportunity to get a Magura for a really good price which is why i'm asking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelbanshee2 Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 they are nice, never have to adjust, always just the same consistent pull. Not as easy as a freshly lubed new cable in my opinion, but never will get stiffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNEDEMON Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 My builder does not like them at all, says they return too slow, I've never ran or tried one, this is just what I've been told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sredish Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 My builder does not like them at all, says they return too slow, I've never ran or tried one, this is just what I've been told. It did seem to return a little slower, and the pull seemed a little harder. I don't like the big honkin reservoir on the bars, it's bad enough to have the damn brake reservoir on the other. I don't like the whole dang thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nater006 Posted March 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Hmmmmmmmmm... I have a problem with broken/frayed cables. Just always made a point of having an extra cable on hand and keeping the current one well lubed so it doesn't get really dry and sticky and start to fray/snap. Just noticed some reviews that said it was the best thing since sliced bread, but in all reality the Magura looks kinda dinky. Might eventually invest in the Billetanium one if the cable thing becomes a constant problem. We'll just have to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotulMonsta Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 I love it. It takes some time to setup right but once it's there, you'll never want to turn back. It never fades, self adjusts and just works like a champ. It has an easier pull then stock plust it's also adjustable, you can set up where you want to have the clutch engage from. The kit isn't complete but with a few washers and a small piece of drain hose you can get it to work right. I recomend getting steel braided lines...the plastic line made contact with my exhaust and ruptured. The clutch is smoothe always predictable and reliable. I was breaking clutch cables at least once a week when I was using an ez pull clutch setup. Pain in the ass. So I bought the mangura and said WTF, I'll try it, It's got to be better then breaking cables every friggin weeek. It was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNEDEMON Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 I was breaking clutch cables at least once a week when I was using an ez pull clutch setup. Pain in the ass. Never heard of breaking clutch cables this frequently, you must have had a junk lever. Here is what I run "Pro Pull" clutch lever from RTC Racing products. My advise to those of you in the market for new clutch hardware would be to froget the Magura stuff, and go with this lever. Check the site for details. http://www.rtcracingproducts.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotulMonsta Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Looks like every other ez pull on the market. You don't get the full engagement legth with an ez pull system. plus it's hard on the cables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNEDEMON Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 You don't get the full engagement legth with an ez pull system What do you mean? Looks like every other ez pull on the market plus it's hard on the cables Not so my man, Brian's (RTC's owner) has done extensive testing on the lever, plus if you look closely at one you can see the design differences compared to the standard ez pull levers. I installed it with a new cable 5 months ago and after about 60 hours of riding I have yet to have any issues with the lever, cable, or clutch engagement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tats4life Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 i've raced the nationals for 5 years and i only broke a clutch cable once from over adjusting. and i used rtc levers. now i'm running the 909 clutch lever and love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotulMonsta Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Ok Check it out. In order to get more torque from a lever, you have to move the pivot point, if you move the point close to the load, it requires less force to move, but more distance to move it, while the load will move less in distance. An EZ pull clutch simply changes the lever ratio by moving the cable closer to the pivit point. Thus by doing that you decrease the distance the cable itself moves hence it feels lighter. EVERY EZ pull on the market takes advantage of that principal. The problem comes when the cable is forced to run at an extreme angle causing it to wear or chaffe against the lever itself...after time the cable will fail. Good EZ pull clutch levers allow the point of entry for the cable to pivot to decreae the angle that the cable is at. But it still wears out. With an EZ pull you don't get the full motion of the clutch and it becomes grabby after a while. Your clutch lever looks like the cheasy PEP one with a nice On the fly adjuster..oh and it's got some cool metal work on the grip of the lever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brugal Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 My builder does not like them at all, says they return too slow, I've never ran or tried one, this is just what I've been told. My builder doesnt recommend them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNEDEMON Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 In order to get more torque from a lever, you have to move the pivot point Wrong, you must move the "pick up point" for the cable end, the pivot point is the same. The difference it that with the new pick up point in increases the motion ratio of the lever. Thus by doing that you decrease the distance the cable itself moves hence it feels lighter Wrong again, you are increasing the amount of distance the cable moves slightly, it "feels" lighter because it is, based on the larger fulcrum effect. Picture this, is it easier to use a floor jack with a 2 foot handle or a 4 foot handle? the 4 foot one, this is because of the larger motion ratio on the lever (handle) did we change the pivot point on the jack? NO. RTC's levers work on the same principal, the pivot point is the same no mater what cable location you use, but based on the cable location you change the ratio in which the cable is pulled (study the photo above if it works and this should make sense) With an EZ pull you don't get the full motion of the clutch and it becomes grabby after a while. Wrong yet again, the cable actuating the clutch is moving its full range (if adjusted correctly) and if the clutch is adjusted correctly it will not become "grabby" MotulMonsta, I'm not trying to attack you, it just seems that you post frequently with lots of answers that are way out in left field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotulMonsta Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Um, redo your math, I stick by what I said. By putting a larger handle on the jack you change the point of pivot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNEDEMON Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 MotulMonsta you are absolutely clueless..If I go from a 2 foot handle to a 4 foot handle, ONLY the handle length has changed, NOT the pivot piont. I used the floor jack for an analogy, hopefully some one understood it, clearly you did not. I am begining to think that you don't have any idea what you are talking about regarding Banshees. Your post about unsprung weight proved this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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