CT-370LR Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 I am in need of some advice from the Shee MX pros that are available within this forum.... I am about to complete my Shee for MX, I recently got CT to do my engine, now I am about to purchase the handling components to complete my package.... Now, here comes the dilema... I see +3 a-arms and +2 up 1 a-arms. If you do not shorten your swingarm am I right in the thinking that you should not forward your a-arms? And if you do shorten your swingarm, you should forward them?? I am asking this because those +3 a-arms sure do look nice having a little more width up front..... I wanna get her as wide and low as she can go!! My lil bro has a 250R w/Elkas all da way around and she is nice/wide/low!! I need some help as to how to help with my setup... By the way, I am around 215# if it matters as to how I should set this up... Any help would be appreciated.. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallrat Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 It really all depends on what you're willing to spend. The +3 arms are going to require long travel shocks and longer brake lines. So if you're willing to drop $2k on the front end then yes the +3 is better. Otherwise you can get a +2 setup with shocks for about half as much. The benefit of the long travel system isn't so much that you'll have more wheel travel, but that there's more shock to compress, thereby allowing you to have better control over how the shock behaves at different points of its travel. As far as the shortenned arm goes, you probably wanna do it, either by buying an aftermarket swingarm or getting MrMatt to cut yours for $100. But you can ride with the stock swingarm just fine on any a arms, you just won't have the hook up that you would with the shorter arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 the +3 arms are going to require long travel shocks and longer brake lines. You wont need long travel shocks with +3 wider A-arms, your thinking "long travel" A-arms, he's talking about A-arms that instead of +2, they are +3 wider. You will need longer brake lines tho, stocks one just barely reach with +2, you should have a new set of stainless steel brake lines anyways. Gotta keep in mind that AMA rules only allow the max width on your front end to be 50 inches total. If you race a non sanctioned track you could possibly go wider depending on thier rules, but 50 inches is max for any ama races. Get the +1 forward A-arms, I dont think it would hurt ya when if your still running the stock length swingarm, then in the future when you shorten your swingarm, your A-arms are allready +1 so you dont have to buy another set of A-arms. +1 forward on the A-arms and -2 on the swingarm is a hot setup. The +1 longer wheelbase is not as drastic to your handling as the -2 swingarm is. The shorter swingarm really moves that geometery around, its like riding a whole new style frame with a shorty swingarm, and its even better when you have the front end forward +1. BTW, welcome to BansheeHQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banchetta Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 True that...the -2 is like night and day.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallrat Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 My understanding was that with the +3, you're putting enough added leverage on the shocks that at the very least you'd have to get them revalved. Was I misinformed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 yea you should have front shocks setup for the +3 or +2 arms. If you buy aftmkt shocks they will ask you about the A-arms your using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallrat Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Ah okay...thanks for clearing that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT-370LR Posted February 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Okay, thanx guys!! I really appreciate all of the useful information!! I believe that I will go w/ +2 up 1, because I have never seen +3 up 1.. I work to much to even think about a National or anything, only local/regional events where I do not think someone would bring a measuring tape to my front end.... But due to the fact that there is no +3 up 1 arms, I will go +2 up1... I am going to place an order for my suspension this week, I am going TCS.. I figure it is better than works, but probably not as good as elkas or axis but a hell of a lot cheaper than elkas and axis, and probably not that much difference... I like the idea that you can get the back revalved and so forth for 1/2 the price of an Elka!! and the front being 750 respectively is alot better than 1100 or more!! I am not sure of the a-arms though... Does anyone have any good input on the brand?? Is 'wicked sports' a good product?? I really do not feel like dropping 750 smackers on Laegers if there is something juct as good out there for 500!! I consider myself a budget shopper and I am sure that I am not the only one that shops for the best deal !! LOL..... So any more input would be greatly appreciated!! I spoke to CT racing today and they said about 3 weeks for the shocks, so I guess that means about 5-6 weeks so therefore I am going to order my shocks this week so I will have that out of the way before it gets warm.. I am probably going to order the a-arms in about 2 weeks so therefore it willall come in at the same time!! Any advice on my plan?? I could send my swing-arm to a machine shop to get it cut 2" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Okay, thanx guys!! I really appreciate all of the useful information!! I believe that I will go w/ +2 up 1, because I have never seen +3 up 1.. I work to much to even think about a National or anything, only local/regional events where I do not think someone would bring a measuring tape to my front end.... But due to the fact that there is no +3 up 1 arms, I will go +2 up1... I am going to place an order for my suspension this week, I am going TCS.. I figure it is better than works, but probably not as good as elkas or axis but a hell of a lot cheaper than elkas and axis, and probably not that much difference... I like the idea that you can get the back revalved and so forth for 1/2 the price of an Elka!! and the front being 750 respectively is alot better than 1100 or more!! I am not sure of the a-arms though... Does anyone have any good input on the brand?? Is 'wicked sports' a good product?? I really do not feel like dropping 750 smackers on Laegers if there is something juct as good out there for 500!! I consider myself a budget shopper and I am sure that I am not the only one that shops for the best deal !! LOL..... So any more input would be greatly appreciated!! I spoke to CT racing today and they said about 3 weeks for the shocks, so I guess that means about 5-6 weeks so therefore I am going to order my shocks this week so I will have that out of the way before it gets warm.. I am probably going to order the a-arms in about 2 weeks so therefore it willall come in at the same time!! Any advice on my plan?? I could send my swing-arm to a machine shop to get it cut 2" ? i would have Matt cut your arm he's done a bunch and knows what to strengthen......the tracks your going to ride on have a lot to do with the width you want also, the more off camber the lines on the track are, the more the +3 arms will make your front end waddle up and down when one tires at one height and the other tires at another height and your accelerating, same thing applies to an overly wide rear axle, there is a difference between running a elka ssd rear shock and a stocker revalved with the elka you can get a ride height of 9 inches off the ground, the stocker will have you somewhere around 11 inches, the lower the bike the more it adheres to the track and cornering is very nice at the lower height, all of those things combined is what helps your bike stay planted on the track.......your right in thinking a less expensive aarm will suit you, but your shock purchase is crucial to what you want the bike to do, so shouldnt be looked at as a "budget buy" you will get what you pay for, sometimes the fastest guy on the track is simply able to hang on i.e any bike will go 50mph but not alot of them can do it going over whoops spanned 3 feet apart for 50 yards..........anyhow just something to think about..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNEDEMON Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Wallrat, which TCS version are you going with? have you called Todd @ TCS direct to discuss your wants / needs? When you decide on a control arm brand make sure they come with new tie rod sleeves - some don't, ask if their balljoints are a direct fit or if the spindle needs to be reamed, and don't forget the brake lines up front, longer ones will make life easier when doing the install, and clean up the look / increase the brake feel due to less swelling of the line under pressure. Dunedemon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Wallrat, which TCS version are you going with? have you called Todd @ TCS direct to discuss your wants / needs? When you decide on a control arm brand make sure they come with new tie rod sleeves - some don't, ask if their balljoints are a direct fit or if the spindle needs to be reamed, and don't forget the brake lines up front, longer ones will make life easier when doing the install, and clean up the look / increase the brake feel due to less swelling of the line under pressure. Dunedemon. Jd performance makes a great 2+1 set, but you do need to ream your spindles(dave will do it for you free of charge) they come with the tie rods also and you can run your stock brake lines.....i like the softer feel of the stock lines, my tires dont skid as much when braking in off camber terrain.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT-370LR Posted February 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 i would have Matt cut your arm he's done a bunch and knows what to strengthen.... How do I get into touch with this guy? Where is he located? What is the charge? What is the turn around time? I am new to this forum so please help me out...... And by the way, I appreciate all of the useful imformation!! Someone mentioned in an above post that the TCS sat 2" higher than Elkas, I spoke to a CT representative and he said TCS would sit lower.... Does anyone know how I can get into touch a TCS rep and not a supplier to see what the technicalities are, because I am about to do something in order to have my bike ready by mid-march.... So it is time to get off my ass and on my feet... Thanx guys!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNEDEMON Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Sorry CT-370LR, I thought wawllrat was the one making this purchase. Todd davis is the owner of TCS he can be reached at (909) 245-7484. Dunedemon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmatt Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 CT-370LR, check your inbox, you have a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 with the elka you can get a ride height of 9 inches off the ground, the stocker will have you somewhere around 11 inches i think this is what that guy said, he didnt mention TCS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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