banshee04le Posted January 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Mr. Deuce....i am honored i thought i had read on here somewhere that works has cookie cutter springs, and only do their tayloring with the valving. where would i get a stiffer primary spring? any idea what is the best way to compress the spring to adjust the preload...i'd just like to play with it and see how much difference it makes, but i understand now how excessive preload is undesirable. thanks dude, your the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banchetta Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 I use a 1 1/4" x 1 1/4" oak about 3' long, I've also used a piece of 3/4" reebar and used the frame for a pry...You need two prybars or objects. One on each side of the spring and compress it. Have a friend move the c-clip w/ a screwdriver or something similiar.....At least thats what I do...Be careful not to puncture the radiator.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Mr. Deuce....i am honored i thought i had read on here somewhere that works has cookie cutter springs, and only do their tayloring with the valving. where would i get a stiffer primary spring? any idea what is the best way to compress the spring to adjust the preload...i'd just like to play with it and see how much difference it makes, but i understand now how excessive preload is undesirable. thanks dude, your the man. call or email eric at elka he may have a stiffer replacement set that will fit that body....if you could get away with that preload adjustment all the way up so the whole body is full of spring it would work better, if they were custom made for you thats how they would come.....my elkas are all the way up and work tits...but my works shocks are preloaded pretty far.....i have friends with works shocks rangeing from 220 pounds to 135 and we all have the same gage spring....most shock makers break the gage every 40 pounds..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted January 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 thanks for all of your help.....if you guys ever need bailed out of jail at 3 in the morning, you can count on me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 thanks for all of your help.....if you guys ever need bailed outof jail at 3 in the morning, you can count on me! look there banch a get outta jail free pass........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoin39 Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 There are several different rates of springs, i am not sure of the poundage of each but when I sent them to TCS they said the springs were too stiff for my application. Stock works springs on mine were blue and white now moroon and black. I know $300 sounds like alot but they totally redid the shocks including springs and mine are triple rates. I was happy with my investment and TCS said if I wasn't happy send them back and they would readjust the settings for free! I'm sure works can do this to, just telling you my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 they should hook him up......i know elka would if he had went that route.........i think you just need a stiffer spring, all the preload in the world wont make up for that......that body is only so long ......no sense choking off a third of it, with preload...makes for a funky ride..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 my elka shocks came with the preload set from the factory. They told me the preload was set for my weight and riding conditions, I though that was pretty cool of em. I still fiddled with the preload, I hade to fiddle with it. I have it set now where Elka set it originally. Its not the best setup for bigger jumps, but I can stop bottoming out by jacking up the compression knob. Says he's got schrader lookin' valves, so I guess he's not gonna be adjusting any compression soon . Good luck with the preload adjustment, im glad Elkas dont have those clips, they sound like a pain in the ass. BTW I got my shocks setup for 145-160lb rider/MX. love em duece do you have the rebound adjusters on yours ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 duece do you have the rebound adjusters on yours ? yeah meat mine have rebound and compression.....i really need the rebound in this terrain...my elkas came setup properly also, the preload adjust is all the way up......on my rear elka if i leave the preload at the top it sits about 9-10 inches off the ground, great for a groomed track, if i crank the rear preload with an inch or so of thread showing it brings the ass end up, then i can go ride trails and desert with some clearence.......i cant say enough good things about elka and there service....and they are easy to swap springs on, my works shocks are a pain in the ass..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenBB Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Banshee04le-I use a ratchet strap to compress the springs on my Works triple rates, my strap doesn't have hooks, just a single strap from one end; I thread it under the main spring and back into the ratchet, then tighten the ratchet enough to remove the retainer on the bottom of the main spring (it helps to move the bumper away from the end that it sits so you can get the retainer off). Once that retainer is out (just look at it: it's got an open side that it slides off the shaft when the spring is compressed), it's real easy to move the preload spring wherever you want, I just leave the strap on the spring, change the preload (be careful not to bend the hell out of the snap ring, just move it one slot at a time), then reassemble it. BTW don't mess with that schrader valve, it'll let out a nitrogen/shock oil mix, under something like 200 or 250 psi. Oh yeah, when you have the main spring off you can compress the shock through it's travel; you should feel it become "stiffer" as it compresses. There should be some resistance, if it's super soft then it might be time for a rebuild. I think Works quoted me $160 to rebuild and revalve if necessary, and something like $100 to add rezzys. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNEDEMON Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 banshee04le, based on what you have described, you need more spring rate. Cranking up the spring pre-load only cancels out the tender spring and eliminates it from the system, thus returning your front shocks to a linear spring rate which is clearly too light (not enough rate) this defeats the purpose of even having a dual rate / progressive rate spring stack. To realize the full potantial of a dual / triple etc.. spring set-up the springs rates must work and compliment each other,and the valving be changed accordingly. They act as one spring until the "lighter" rate spring is either completly closed (some people call it "coil-bind") or is cancelled out by the pre-load spacers this change is called the "transition point" at which time the rate is increased because the shock is now working in the heavier springs rate. Hope this made sense, I work at EIBACH SPRINGS in research and development so I play with springs for a living. I would suggest that you call Todd at TCS (he's the owner and a very helpful guy when it comes to this stuff)he can revale your shocks to suit you, he uses our springs only, and we have the largest selection of rates on the market for the 1.88" ID shocks, WORKS only uses a limited number of ratesd on their shocks, which you recently discovered, I'm not trying to bad-mouth them it's just the facts. DO NOT TAMPER WITH THE SCHRADER VALVE that is where the shock is charged with nitrogen. TCS's phone # is (909) 245-7484. Dunedemon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNEDEMON Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 On a side note, if you wish to learn more about spring rates, motion ratios, and transition points check out http://www.eibach.com click the "motorsports" button, then click the "ERS wizzard" button, and the "suspension worksheet" button, or drop me an e-mail at techsupport@eibach.com, I'm happy to help. For what it's worth we also have a full line of direct replacement rear banshee springs is various rates for those of you who have made swingarm length changes, and I'd be happy to make reccomendations. Dunedemon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted January 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 WOW, thanks dunedemon!! spoin, BenBB, Meat...i'd spring you all out of the klink!!! i'll let you know who i decide to go with on the revalve/respring and how it turns out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banchetta Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 thanks for all of your help.....if you guys ever need bailed outof jail at 3 in the morning, you can count on me! look there banch a get outta jail free pass........... Hmmm.....Not that I'd need that or anything..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee04le Posted January 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 thanks for all of your help.....if you guys ever need bailed outof jail at 3 in the morning, you can count on me! look there banch a get outta jail free pass........... Hmmm.....Not that I'd need that or anything..... i heard you were the man to fear on C-block, Banch...ever since you shanked that punk in the yard... i think i've seen too many prison flick's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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