boonman Posted December 19, 2003 Report Share Posted December 19, 2003 Click HERE Don't know if that will work, I will edit if it don't. Anyways, get #25, $37.94 the choke plunger assembly, and be sure your float bowl has the brass tube in it. The left carb, (the one with the plunger) has 2 tubes in the carb. One for overflow, and one for the choke to draw fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboybanshee Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Thanks guys! I just may buy that plunger in the link you posted boonman. THANKS again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreaminShee01 Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 i heard that a good way of starting when cold is too turn gas on, pull choke, and hold the throttle wide open for 10 seconds.... kick it hard and then itll start worked a few times for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee tuner Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 People will look at you like you are crazy but if you rock the bike from side to side enough to bring the tires off the ground a few times it does something with the fuel in the bowls and it will start first or second kick. This might sound crazy but we do it to all types of yamahas and it works. It's an old dirt bike trick. my boss did it on a raptor 50 and I laughed. It works and it's free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banchetta Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 Sounds to me that you guys have swapped the bowls on the carbs. Only the choke carbs have bowls w/ the brass tube and tiny jet......If you swap the bowls on the carbs, then the choke won't work....You should be able to pull the choke and NO THROTTLE..Also make sure the choke tube is in place between the carbs and not cracked....as far as mixing the gas and shaking the shee, thats because some 2-stroke oils can actually separate from the gas when sitting and the carbs will pick up the oil first and foul the plugs.... Oh ya, what kind of pipes are some of you running and what size pilots??? I know pc pipes will start hard as hell w/ stock pilots and need larger pilots... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee0044 Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 People will look at you like you are crazy but if you rock the bike from side to side enough to bring the tires off the ground a few times it does something with the fuel in the bowls and it will start first or second kick. This might sound crazy but we do it to all types of yamahas and it works. It's an old dirt bike trick. my boss did it on a raptor 50 and I laughed. It works and it's free. i agree with this guy..if the bike has been sitting the fuel and the oil separates..and you have to get it mixed again...i always rock my bike front back side to side for a good couple minuets...works fine for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandbuzzard Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 For what its worth, mine was doing the same thing. I thought i had replaced and tried everything until someone suggested that i check my spark plug boots. Sure enough i put new ones on and presto no probs. The others were a littel rusty when i broke them apart. Not enough spark to fire the bike but enough to keep it running after i pull start it. "WEIRD" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Quad Racer Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 listen to banchetta's advice. I would say he is right for 95% of you guys with the hard to start when cold problem. If you look at the two carbs, one has an extra tube extending down. Now look at the bowls where that tube would slide into, one has a hole at the bottom of the bowl and the other does not. The bowl with the hole needs to go with the carb with the tube. This supplys the choke system with fuel. The bike should start within a couple of kicks hot or cold with no throttle. Holding the throttle open or pumping it prior to kicking it will do nothing for it as the carbs have no accelerator pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boonman Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 I should move this post to the roostin' room for the reply I want to post here. However, I will just refrain from a few things. Now, why in the hell do people come here asking questions, and people reply, and they don't try anything that the f$%^&*# people suggest to look at and/or try? Pisses me off that y'all get the replies and answers, and yet REFUSE to take them to heart and look at some of the things suggested. Perfect example right here in this thread. in the third post in this thread Sounds to me like the choke circuit isn't working? Anybody been tinkering with the carbs? Could have switched the float bowls. Or, the pilot jet could be clogged. Does it idle once it starts? Could have switched the float bowls???? Ring any bells here? I am willing to bet that this is the problem with the hard to start issue. Next reply: Carbs are bone stock no body has touched them. Idles perfect once started. I think I might take the carbs off and clean them. I have heard that if the reeds are getting stiff that they won't allow enough air fuel mixture in to start and maybe thats why when I have someone pull start me it turns over faster and creates more vacuum than the kick starter generates. Thanks for your help. Now, this answers the idling question, meaning that the pilots aren't clogged. BEcause if they were, the bike would not idle properly, due to the lack of fuel at idle. Anyways, MO states he has gnarly pipes, and the carbs are bone stock and NOONE has touched them. Well, if noone has touched them and they are bone stock, then guess what man, your top end is smoked. BONE STOCK tell me BONE STOCK jetting. Which = smoked top end when running stock jetting with pipes. Now, I know you will reply and tell me that the bike has been rejetted. Well, that would mean that the carbs are not stock, and some one has "touched" them leaving the possibility that the bowls have been switched. Listen a little and try shit instead of bench fixing your bike. By asking a zillion questions, and not trying any of the replies your bike will not magically fix itself. Hypothetically, it could be ALOT of things. YOU have to narrow things down by the process of elimination. Try it. It's an age old process, tried and true. It invloves, WRENCH TIME. Which equals time in the garage, or wherever you work on your bike in which you actually work on it. Yep, work on it. This may be difficult to understand, but is a necessity in order to alleviate the problem. SO, ask the questions, get the replies, and look into the problem. try things. It's not too hard and I assume that you plan on working on the bike yourself because you are here taking the time to find out some suggestions. However, what good are the suggestions if you don't try any of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 I pull start it and once it fires it runs perfect. No miss no hesitation no nothing. why dont you just use your electric start?........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twins in 2003 Posted December 22, 2003 Report Share Posted December 22, 2003 I have been running Shee's for years and if they don't start right away somthing isn't right. Start simple like the last guy said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banchetta Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Boony, your gonna get high blood pressure if you keep that up...... I'm really surprised that so many people do take a lot of advice on here and there is a lot of people that do know what they are talking about....Go to some other sites and its kids that think they know it all and argue w/ you..... There usually isn't much knowledgable people neither.... I had a blow out a couple of weeks ago on a snowmobile site....No one knows shit or even try different mods to snowmobiles.....so then no one know what works and what doesn't....Drives me up a wall....Anyways,, have a beer, and get on the Dumont trip!!!! You need a vaca!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twins in 2003 Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 If all that you have done is pipes and K&N you shouldn't have to stray far from the stock settings. Mine sound much the same and all i work with is main jets for temperature. Keep this in mind if you go ahead and pull the carbs apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boonman Posted December 23, 2003 Report Share Posted December 23, 2003 Man, I do need a beer, and a vacation in the worst way!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could go to Dumont, but I have too many other things to do. GOtta get the new shop up and what not. And skiing trips this year are gonna dent the ol' checkbook pretty heavy. We'll see. All I need is a dollar and a dream is what the lottery dude keeps telling me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banchetta Posted December 24, 2003 Report Share Posted December 24, 2003 Man, I do need a beer, and a vacation in the worst way!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could go to Dumont, but I have too many other things to do. GOtta get the new shop up and what not. And skiing trips this year are gonna dent the ol' checkbook pretty heavy. We'll see. All I need is a dollar and a dream is what the lottery dude keeps telling me... That lottery dude is a liar... I don't think you have to worry about skiing, might be a short year.....I'm still waiting for snow for my sled, but its not looking good for at least another couple of weeks....we lost just about all that snow we got 2 weeks ago. Had over 30 inches in 2 storms and now I can see my lawn through the snow..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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