Justintoxicated Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 A stock YFZ is also $1000+ more than a banshee with pipes, and filter. If you toss that $1000 in a banshee is SHOULD walk all over a stock 450...If you continue from there putting more into each bike, the bashee with the same amount of $$ into it should win in a drag race. I ride with a couple, and the guy with the 450 was even telling me that banshees are still the best way to go for speed, and how much he liked my bike. I told him I liked his bike too. I doubt mods to a 4 stroke will keep up with a banshee I just don't see it. I need to go race a couple with my 12 port and see how I do, But I have a feeling I won't be losing to any 450's unless they are built like that duncan one. I don't understand how a 4-stroke can have enough top end to go faster than a banshee up a hill like china wall that musta been a cool site to watch... this is where the shee should be king but be proabbyl had spent alot more $$$... but those duncan racing guys can do quite alot to their bikes. Im willing to bet there was over 10g's into that bike you described. They also probably have an advantage over the whoops cause lets face it stock banshee suspension sucks! $$ for $$ a Banshee should win from what I have sceen. But you can't compair a stock shee with its restrictive pipes to a 450 when the 450 costs $1500+ more. Im sure the 450's are nice and im not dissing that bike, I would LVOE to have one, but for king of the dunes I have yet to put my money on the 450. I'd love to race some 450's with pipes and cam and whatever else they do to them, vs my banshee with pipes porting, and soon carbs and reeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deli sandwich Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Has no one mentioned the fact that 4 strokes tend to have more of a little something called tourqe? Torque helps quite a bit, which is why a 450 with less hp then a modified banshee could possibly beat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee crazy kid Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Has no one mentioned the fact that 4 strokes tend to have more of a little something called tourqe? Torque helps quite a bit, which is why a 450 with less hp then a modified banshee could possibly beat it. True, HP dont mean jack without torque. Thats probly the answer to whoever lost to a yfz cuz the yfz got ahead and he couldnt catch the yfz..The two bikes are totally diferent i bet a 60-70 horse yfz keeps up or even beats 80-90 hp banshee's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickestshee Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 the 450 is more of an mxer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justintoxicated Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 well I hope Im hitting the nail on the head, stock banshee technology is pretty damn old...Yet when i bought mine in 2000 it was still the fastest atv even stock, but thats befoer all these new 4-strokes came out... Not much has changed on the banshee recently that would affect performance so I WOULD HOPE THAT A NEW 2004 ATV COULD BEAT IT STOCK. However, once you start beefing up the banshee, even for the same money it should be able to take a 450, which to me is suprising because normally it should cost more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoin39 Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 Man, I read every post in the topic and have to put my 2cents in. I have ridden several 450's and like them, I have also raced several 450's and beat them. We race on a flat field about 260ft and I have never been beat by a yfz. I admit I have mods but some of them had high comp pistons and pipes. The only 4-stroke that gave me a run was a DS 650 with a Ron Woods engine kit. That sonofabitch was fast! Dollar for dollar, mod for mod, a shee will win if both good riders. Stock vs stock the 450 will win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheeEaterKXF Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 here ill put it simple people a banshee that is 450cc will smoke a 450cc 4 stroke hands down i hate u people that keep branging this 4 poke junk up if they were all that they would race a 250 2 stroke vs a 250 4 stroke so take your crap back in to the lab and dont come out untill you get it ok!!!!!!!!!!! all in favor say i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 well i could post that ive road them and smoked them too but truth is that little prick is right on my ass maybe the guy your racing is a pussie....im draggin pro riders with 450's they are a fast ass bike...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMOONEY Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Either your bikes slow (no offence) or those are the fastest 450 ever made, there not all there hyped up to be. i have seen serval at the dunes, and my buddys piped only shee beats them, hands down. next time i see one ill get a pic. not trying to start anything with you duece just stating a well known fact, yes there faster then a stock shee, but what isn't a stock shee is a damn turd and everyone knows this, thats why you hardly ever see a stock bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Either your bikes slow (no offence) or those are the fastest 450 ever made, there not all there hyped up to be. i have seen serval at the dunes, and my buddys piped only shee beats them, hands down. next time i see one ill get a pic. not trying to start anything with you duece just stating a well known fact, yes there faster then a stock shee, but what isn't a stock shee is a damn turd and everyone knows this, thats why you hardly ever see a stock bike. no offense takin mooney, im racing them in the dirt not in sand, and on a MX track......i wouldnt go so far as to surmise my bikes slow, but a shee with just a pipe wont take that 450 with a pipe in the dirt, well at least the 1/2 dozen shee's ive seen race them wont, little things like traction have a shit load to do with it.......id love to state its a fact the shee's faster, but i havent seen it yet, i can line up with that 450 and 4 other piped only shee's and when we pass the 300 foot mark that 450 is the only bike within 40 feet of me.....race one on a track, you'll see what im talking about...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Has no one mentioned the fact that 4 strokes tend to have more of a little something called tourqe? Torque helps quite a bit, which is why a 450 with less hp then a modified banshee could possibly beat it. True, HP dont mean jack without torque. Thats probly the answer to whoever lost to a yfz cuz the yfz got ahead and he couldnt catch the yfz..The two bikes are totally diferent i bet a 60-70 horse yfz keeps up or even beats 80-90 hp banshee's this is kinda how im seeing it go down myself......if you put both bikes on pavement, or sand you could even things up a bit........and thats why 60 horse 450 stays with my 80+ 350 cause im shooting a 20 foot roost while he's just kicking up a little dust.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitrod Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 I have to say, I seen a 450 run like hell in a sand drag at silver lake. You can ask minkia3838 about this one. He was running hi rz shee that had been jetted on a dyno. That damn 450 irratated him all day. That thing was a rocket ship. I don't have a clue what he had done to it though. My chin hit the sand. I think Ray even was a little shitty... lol. He was very close to a 100hp banshee on alcohol. I mean the banshee won, but that thing was hanging in there. He smoked my ass on a mild ported shee. I'm not a skinny guy though and that was my first time on sand. It appeared stock. Maybe the guy was just an amazing rider.. I don't know. There was another 450 there that was getting smoked by banshees. Hell, who knows. You'll start seeing more mods for these. The banshee has been around a long time and people have had a lot of time to learn these engines. Just wait til these really good engine builders are forced to work on 4 strokes. Were gonna see some good stuff one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Duece Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 That damn 450 irratated him all day. That thing was a rocket ship. thats exactly what ive been saying.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRMOONEY Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 YEAH, i am talking about up a hill in the sand, where we use paddles, so i guess we can really compare our sitiations (sp). on dirt yeah maybe there fast but thats because they dont have the power to spin the tires lol, all i know is in oregon, at florence there was a 450 that wasnt stock, and my buddys piped shee beat it up the hill. it was a close race no the less but the guy had to have a shit load of money into the bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitrod Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 it was a close race no the less but the guy had to have a shit load of money into the bike. What makes you say that. What did he have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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