locogato11283 Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 ^I hope someone brings a set big BB shearers to the dyno too Oh I imagine they'll be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickedcarbine Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 HOD chassis. Dyno soon, yes. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk If I didn't let these animals talk me in to a chromoly frame, I'd be right on your heels. I really dig Arlo's stock frames. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickedcarbine Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Correct me if I'm wrong but LEDs work better on motors 500+cc's? Or what's the limit? I know it seemed the small bore stuff didn't perform as wellCan't really imagine there is any CC restriction for a pipe built to suit a particular motor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaymentPlan Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Can't really imagine there is any CC restriction for a pipe built to suit a particular motor.That's my thought as well. I've seen a pipe he built for a little yz or kx 85. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagunCajun Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Off topic, I can not wait until you take your first ride. If you haven't ridden a high hp like I have, you will shit a brick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaymentPlan Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Off topic, I can not wait until you take your first ride. If you haven't ridden a high hp like I have, you will shit a brick.Me too man. I picture it all the time. It's going to have more power then my previous 07 gsxr 600. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaymentPlan Posted October 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just curious, what if the Snipers make more power? Will you run the Snipers or LED? Depends. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Madd Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Depends. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk $1000 they won't if they're stamped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 $1000 they won't if they're stamped. I wish you would bet me on my 4mm. I'd spend the money on bubble gum and balloons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Madd Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I wish you would bet me on my 4mm. I'd spend the money on bubble gum and balloons. Have you already dynoed both? And was the LED set custom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Have you already dynoed both? And was the LED set custom? We never ran LED on it. But my stamped Sniper in-frames made more/better power than your god's out-frame pipes. In addition, this notion that a "custom" pipe always out performs the shelf pipes is incorrect. I've seen it first hand. Hopefully control's new LEDs make good power, but I would not be surprised if the Snipers make just as good if not better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagunCajun Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I just want to see where the power comes on and starts to fall off with all the pipes. Not so much as how much it makes nor how flat the tq curve is. I really didnt expect a serval to pull over 10k rpms. I like being wrong lol. I think it would take about a 800-1000rpm change where the powerband starts to come on for me to consider changing pipes. And considering i dont even know how that would feel, im need to stop typing. I dont understand power curves on a dyno vs seat if the pants feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Madd Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 We never ran LED on it. But my stamped Sniper in-frames made more/better power than your god's out-frame pipes. In addition, this notion that a "custom" pipe always out performs the shelf pipes is incorrect. I've seen it first hand. Hopefully control's new LEDs make good power, but I would not be surprised if the Snipers make just as good if not better. A custom pipe, using precise engine build parameters along with some testing should be better than any off the shelf stamped pipe. If is is not, it needs to be re-evaluated and maybe some of the parameters were not taken into consideration. A custom pipe should have a better power delivery in the intended rpm range as it provides a stronger return sound wave (and pressure) back into the combustion chamber before the exhaust port closes on the way to TDC. Some of the flaws in how an engine makes power I believe can be fixed with a correct pipe. A pipe is not really a one size fits all. It can work well within a range of engine parameters (ignition timing, compression, port timings, blow down, intended rpm range, rpm drop between shifts, estimated operating temperature, etc, etc) but not be optimum for any particular engine. I don't think any pipe builder would dispute this. In the real world when testing there may be some unknown, unforseen variables to deal with, and that is where the cut, weld, and retry method may come into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTmachining Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 A custom pipe, using precise engine build parameters along with some testing should be better than any off the shelf stamped pipe. If is is not, it needs to be re-evaluated and maybe some of the parameters were not taken into consideration. A custom pipe should have a better power delivery in the intended rpm range as it provides a stronger return sound wave (and pressure) back into the combustion chamber before the exhaust port closes on the way to TDC. Some of the flaws in how an engine makes power I believe can be fixed with a correct pipe. A pipe is not really a one size fits all. It can work well within a range of engine parameters (ignition timing, compression, port timings, blow down, intended rpm range, rpm drop between shifts, estimated operating temperature, etc, etc) but not be optimum for any particular engine. I don't think any pipe builder would dispute this. In the real world when testing there may be some unknown, unforseen variables to deal with, and that is where the cut, weld, and retry method may come into play. Thought u jus a parts changer lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 A custom pipe, using precise engine build parameters along with some testing should be better than any off the shelf stamped pipe. If is is not, it needs to be re-evaluated and maybe some of the parameters were not taken into consideration. A custom pipe should have a better power delivery in the intended rpm range as it provides a stronger return sound wave (and pressure) back into the combustion chamber before the exhaust port closes on the way to TDC. Some of the flaws in how an engine makes power I believe can be fixed with a correct pipe. A pipe is not really a one size fits all. It can work well within a range of engine parameters (ignition timing, compression, port timings, blow down, intended rpm range, rpm drop between shifts, estimated operating temperature, etc, etc) but not be optimum for any particular engine. I don't think any pipe builder would dispute this. In the real world when testing there may be some unknown, unforseen variables to deal with, and that is where the cut, weld, and retry method may come into play. I don't necessarily disagree with you. I'm just saying I've seen the custom ones not work as well as hoped. When the new DM pipes (big DMs) came out I spent the money up front to get a set and have them tested. They weren't as good then as they are now. Improvements were made based on what Cameron saw on the dyno. That info was relayed to Arlan. My inframe DM pipes were the first set built. I took a gamble. It worked out. I know he's using feedback from at least Cameron and likely Art as well. As good as the pipe builders are, they still rely on the real world or dyno testing to get them perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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