Deadbeat Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 When the 450cc race quads started to hit the dealerships in 2004 all the manufactures claimed their 450 was a true "race ready" sport quad that could be bought off the dealerships show room floor and raced, our test riders quickly found that those claims were far from the truth on all four 450cc race quads. Until Yamaha released the YFZ-450R in 2009 the LTR450 was the only production sport quad produced by the four big manufactures that we considered to be anywhere near a "race ready" machine avalable on the market for MX racers. With Yamaha's introduction of long travel YFZ-450R and their complete performance line of Genuine Yamaha Technology Racing "GYTR" products that include a Plug'n Play Programmer, CNC Ported GYTR Head, High Compression Forged Piston, Webcam & upgraded Spring Kit, Full Exhaust System, High Flow Air Filter, as well as a huge selection of external chassis and body upgrades like Nerfbars, Chain, Sprockets, Full Body Skid Plates, Bumpers, Grab Bars, ect. Yamaha's new YFZ-450R is the only sport quad/ATV in the 450cc four stroke class that the rider or racer can truly buy and excessorize at a dealership and back off the trailer as a true competitor. We hope that we see the other three 450cc sport quad manufactures follow Yamaha's lead with model upgrades and improvements and a full line of optional factory engine performance upgrades that can be installed at the dealership without voiding any factory warranty. That was a article caption that was written about the 450cc Sport Quad's after Yamaha released the 450R and X and the writer in the article above made this statement...... "For all of us that have been waiting for long-travel straight from the factory, here it is!" If the LTR-450 was equipped with "Long Travel" Suspension in 2006 why does every write up and article on the YFZ-450R boast that its the first 450cc quad produced that can actually be concidered "race ready" with true front and rear long travel suspension from the factory? I don't want to continue to talk shit and argue over stuff that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I think a Banshee frame that utilizes the Yamaha's newest elite race quad front suspension and frame geometry will adhere to style of riding and racing better than any aftermarket or custom frame that's been made available for the Banshee so far. I've rode the R and the X and although I wasn't impressed or enthused by the four stroke power plant the new 450's ride and handling capabilities were far suppiorior to any other sport quad I've ever riden. Yamaha invested 3.5 times more money on the research and development of the YFZR than they did on all the other 2009 Yamaha ATV models in their line up combined, I don't see how me utilizing the money and time they invested to develop the R and X make me clueless? Would it make more since to you to if I based the frame geometry off some other older less advanced quad or tried to come up with my own frame geometry based off theories and untested unproven ideas and designs? From here on out I'm refusing to acknowledge or reply to any of your useless unneeded replys that you throw out there in a attempt to get others to jump on the bashing wagon with you or with hopes you can derail my thread. If your making a legitimate point or offering up some sort of valid or useful input I will respond. I'm going to ignore all other attempts made to start shit or discredit me in any way. why the fuck are you feeding that troll blowhard...go get your frame built already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaegerEliminator Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Have you taken into consideration the "Cecco Bracket" from Houser or the "YFZ450R Castor Bracket" from Walsh in your build idea? Does your frame that you have drawn move the front suspension forward from oem banshee position? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thack82 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Have you taken into consideration the "Cecco Bracket" from Houser or the "YFZ450R Castor Bracket" from Walsh in your build idea? Does your frame that you have drawn move the front suspension forward from oem banshee position? Yes the a-arms placement and the steering stem angle have been moved accordingly to match the YFZR in the rendering I pasted to opening thread. A aftermarket modded YFZR steering stem needs to be used with the frame I designed. The YFZR stem needs to extended 2.5" in order to work out right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaegerEliminator Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 You realize that both of the brackets I mentioned bolt onto the yfzr frame to correct the factory flawed design right? Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thack82 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 You realize that both of the brackets I mentioned bolt onto the yfzr frame to correct the factory flawed design right? Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk I didn't realize that any company made any replacement parts for the YFZR frame that improved the geometry, I know the YFZR frame is bolted together which allows a rider that runs XC races or does some other extreeme form of racing where a wreck could take place and damage the frame. This allows you to replace a specific part of the frame VS replacing the whole frame. If I still ran the occasional hare scramble race like I've done in the past I would look into building a extruded aluminum frame that bolted together, but I've gotten to old for that now. I mostly just ride and play on this Banshee with a bunch of my buddy's that ride 4-Strokes. I appreciate you letting me know that, I'd like to know exactly what changes they made for improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr1Hundred Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Is yfz geometry better than custom fabbing long travel a-arms and front end ? Sent from my microwave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camatv Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 good concept... i always felt the newer yfzs would work better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dozer Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 cam thinks its a good idea... your fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camatv Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 of course i actually owned an outlaw chassis..... so i know what a real mx/dunner/banshee motor frame actually should feel like.. it cannot be described and to say that it rides like a 250r is so far off the mark also. you would have to wreck the hell out of an outlaw to really damage it bad.. that being said i would support a 09 yfzr hybrid. i personally think it would be a better conversion than the older yfz hybrids i have been working with lately... ALSO i really like to 700 raptor conversion that uses the newer yfxr chassis also.. and since i ahve done a few hybrids then i might have some real experience with what it takes.. i HAVE not built frames from scratch so i dont really have any experience in that area... so i'm not going to comment about that.. a DM in a rider bike would be retarded i FEEL> talk about overheating...... the cheeta with pv's would make MORE than enough tq to scare the pants off you. my outlaw was in the 55tq range it took a LOT of respect to ride it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinklerman Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Sometimes I wonder...how many people are such high level riders that they can exceed the performance of something along the lines if a fireball LT setup with good LT shocks on a stock banshee frame?...I mean are you guys REALLY that good or extreme of riders that a quality LT setup is insufficient? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1JUANstunna Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Sometimes I wonder...how many people are such high level riders that they can exceed the performance of something along the lines if a fireball LT setup with good LT shocks on a stock banshee frame?...I mean are you guys REALLY that good or extreme of riders that a quality LT setup is insufficient? I am, Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprinklerman Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 I am, Carry on.Touché. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03DMshee Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Stop selling your idea...build the fucking thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaegerEliminator Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 I didn't realize that any company made any replacement parts for the YFZR frame that improved the geometry, I know the YFZR frame is bolted together which allows a rider that runs XC races or does some other extreeme form of racing where a wreck could take place and damage the frame. This allows you to replace a specific part of the frame VS replacing the whole frame. If I still ran the occasional hare scramble race like I've done in the past I would look into building a extruded aluminum frame that bolted together, but I've gotten to old for that now. I mostly just ride and play on this Banshee with a bunch of my buddy's that ride 4-Strokes. I appreciate you letting me know that, I'd like to know exactly what changes they made for improvement. It is this very reason that people start tearing you down Thack. You need to research some of your plans and ideas just a little further at times. Too often you come across as knowing it all and then you seem to refuse to listen to what others are trying to tell you. At least this time you remained calm were open minded enough to take in the suggestion. Too old is a bad excuse. My dad has been paralyzed for 47 of his 70 years and lets almost nothing stop him from doing what he wants. My grandpa, starting weight lifting with my dad after he was rehabilitated, he lifted every morning at 6:00 am until he was 88, died at 93. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaegerEliminator Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 A guy with a z06 vette should not be wondering if he can get a quad frame built. Just drop some coin and get the fucker built I agree with this. If you have truly found a way to afford one of these at your age, then I don't see why you can't make this happen sooner then later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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