m671054 Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 With hub driven you could slip the clutch so much it will never get locked up. with the basket style you can garuntee the rpms that the lockup will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickedcarbine Posted June 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 With hub driven you could slip the clutch so much it will never get locked up. with the basket style you can garuntee the rpms that the lockup will see.This is part of my reasoning for wanting to experiment with this type of clutch. I feel it's possible after data logging for a few seasons I can pin point where my bike is under load and starting to bog and make it slip right at that point and hopefully keep the bike on the pipe through the apex of the turn. That is where all the 4 strokes have the take off. I'm ok with buying frictions and steels by the crate to do this. I just feel making the motor automatically do the slip vs me manually doing it is an effort to make the bike more consistent and smooth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOUTHTHIRTY Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Dude have u looked at recluse clutchs? Like said above. ... thats what they do ...slip at low rpm to keep the R, s up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickedcarbine Posted June 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Why does every one keep telling me to look at stuff not made for a banshee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2otoofast4u Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Why does every one keep telling me to look at stuff not made for a banshee? I saw the first guy post it and my thought was "do they even make a recluse for a banshee? I've never heard of it, but heck maybe they do" I never looked into it, but I'm guessing by your remarks they dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOUTHTHIRTY Posted June 21, 2014 Report Share Posted June 21, 2014 Well if u go look at em..they look like a sling shot lock up ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickedcarbine Posted June 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Sort of. It's a bit different. But there is no recluse for a banshee. So..... Not even interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10milmike Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Wish I would have the time to start testing and tuning this mtc. But I am trying to master this finger lockup. Best 60' is 1.41 to date. If I can get this finger lock up in the 1.3 range I am going to switch to the mtc if it does not sell by then. Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickedcarbine Posted June 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 I have a few ideas that just aren't happening with the conventional lock up. I imagine if you're willing to get past a few shitty outings due to the learning curve, it could be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10milmike Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Yea. I know it will be beneficial to my 60' if no one buys this i will use it this year. Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camatv Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 nothing is going to slip only so much in only one gear. unless you start working on controlling the clutch with your damn hand like a real rider does.. you can control wheel spin with your clutch using your hand easily if you just develop the skills to do so. then you can take that damn lockup off your bike and just go from there.. using the clutch manually with a lockup in higher rpms is impossible. removing rotating weight is going to pay off big time as far as holeshot is concerned/. also on a race your clutch is going to heat up and do all kinds of things the the stack height of that multistage and probably act completely differnt after a few laps on the track.. id spend the money on a nice solid basket that can handle using the clutch to do its job by hand. also IF they did make a rekluse for the banshee i also think that would be a great option for you. are you running an override on the race bike also?? to me the reason most have no clue what to do with these damn multi stages is because they are in essence guessing at what to change.. with no real data logging at all at least none that i have ever seen on anyones bike its all a guess. its easy to do and modern big hp race motors dont use springed arms bullshit on their clutch packs. if the lockup is failing to stay together how are you ever going to learn anything with setting it up differently?? plus compound that with a shit motor setup that breaks constantly or destroys parts how can you ever develop that also>>? oh thats right just hit it with a ton of NOS and pray it actually shifts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2otoofast4u Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 nothing is going to slip only so much in only one gear. unless you start working on controlling the clutch with your damn hand like a real rider does.. you can control wheel spin with your clutch using your hand easily if you just develop the skills to do so. then you can take that damn lockup off your bike and just go from there.. using the clutch manually with a lockup in higher rpms is impossible. removing rotating weight is going to pay off big time as far as holeshot is concerned/. also on a race your clutch is going to heat up and do all kinds of things the the stack height of that multistage and probably act completely differnt after a few laps on the track.. id spend the money on a nice solid basket that can handle using the clutch to do its job by hand. also IF they did make a rekluse for the banshee i also think that would be a great option for you. are you running an override on the race bike also?? to me the reason most have no clue what to do with these damn multi stages is because they are in essence guessing at what to change.. with no real data logging at all at least none that i have ever seen on anyones bike its all a guess. its easy to do and modern big hp race motors dont use springed arms bullshit on their clutch packs. if the lockup is failing to stay together how are you ever going to learn anything with setting it up differently?? plus compound that with a shit motor setup that breaks constantly or destroys parts how can you ever develop that also>>? oh thats right just hit it with a ton of NOS and pray it actually shifts. Are you drunk? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickedcarbine Posted June 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) Cam There are only 2 guys I've spoke to that have a well tuned multi stage units and you can definitely pin point where you want the slip. I'm not saying just one gear at a certain time. I'm translating typical Load situations in to points where I'd like the slip. It just so happens to be in a particular gear or two depending on track size and gearing. I do it by hand now but I also have my lock up slipping at an odd time to help on tight stuff to help out. It just means I need to rev it higher to get lock up on the launch. No over ride, I engine brake to much in the turns. It's a WCR pro mod I picked up a few years ago. I'd like to pick your brain one day about a 1-3 Over ride and manual 4-6 so that I can use the 1-3 to help get the hole shot and still be able to engine brake maybe 3-6 Edited June 24, 2014 by trickedcarbine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowerThanYou Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 to me the reason most have no clue what to do with these damn multi stages is because they are in essence guessing at what to change.. with no real data logging at all at least none that i have ever seen on anyones bike its all a guess. its easy to do and modern big hp race motors dont use springed arms bullshit on their clutch packs. if the lockup is failing to stay together how are you ever going to learn anything with setting it up differently?? plus compound that with a shit motor setup that breaks constantly or destroys parts how can you ever develop that also>>? oh thats right just hit it with a ton of NOS and pray it actually shifts. You are making it harder than what it is! I know one that uses data logging & I chose not too. It's not a guess; timers, log books, video, hearing & the butt dyno. All equate to low 60' times when done with or without data logging. X2, was you drinking early? LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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