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Loco has a new nutswinger.

 

I've never talked about anybody's bike negatively other than Zilla's and that's only because he has dogged me and my bike so bad for so long.

 

Same here. They are very "hush-hush".

I'll be bringing a 4mm Cub and a Serval Thack.

Hope i can keep up!

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I've seen the Dyno numbers that Serval put down on 100LL Av-Gas and it was very impressive and I'm sure your 4 mil Cub is a beast!

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ok i stopped reading at about page 5.    the steel basket i think is a good idear.  but i personally think the one on the ebay could be lightened a shit ton and still be strong enough.  just big ass fingers in steel has me concerned..   the comments about the ktm clutch advancements makes perfect sense to me also.  if a well known multi million dollar company is willing to do them this way and thinks after investing who knows how much in the design and manufacture of a new clutch system  then decided to use steel for longevity  that says a lot to me about the idear.

 

as far as all the bitchin and whining  most failures are from dumb mistakes or abusing crappy parts, and bad installs, tuning etc.

 

holy shit  didnt know this was 22 pages of bullshit!

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ok i stopped reading at about page 5.    the steel basket i think is a good idear.  but i personally think the one on the ebay could be lightened a shit ton and still be strong enough.  just big ass fingers in steel has me concerned..   the comments about the ktm clutch advancements makes perfect sense to me also.  if a well known multi million dollar company is willing to do them this way and thinks after investing who knows how much in the design and manufacture of a new clutch system  then decided to use steel for longevity  that says a lot to me about the idear.

 

as far as all the bitchin and whining  most failures are from dumb mistakes or abusing crappy parts, and bad installs, tuning etc.

 

holy shit  didnt know this was 22 pages of bullshit!

I agree Cam, some additional material could be removed for lighter weight. My 41/40 Steel Basket (bottom) is not as heavy as the Withrow Steel Basket, additional material was removed on mine for balancing and to lighten it up. The Total weight on the Mattoon Basket is 1.9lbs if I remember correctly and my Steel Basket weighs 2.7lbs. I'm not 100% sure but I'm thinking the Withrow Basket weighs between 3.4 and 3.6lbs.

 

After I notched up two aftermarket aluminum clutch baskets (Barnett and Mattoon) in less than 18 months I started doing some research and decided to get the machine shop that sponsored me as a C class XC racer to machine me a steel basket. I also put Straight Cut Primary Drive Gears, all the shifting mods/upgrades, as well as all new clutch components in my motor when I installed the steel basket to be sure I wasn't covering up some other underlying issue.

 

So I was the first Banshee owner to use a Steel Basket on my 392cc Trail Ported Serval. I trail ride with Matt Withrow and he helped me set up my Banshee from time to time for races. So he helped me instal/test the steel basket and other clutch components and we tuned the DL Stealth Lock-Up. When we noticed the additional weight didn't effect the performance negatively at all and actually beneficial in many situations he told me that I might be onto something and ask me if he could take my old Mattoon Basket and make his own test run of Steel Banshee Clutch Baskets. I told him to have at it and a few weeks latter the Withrow Steel Basket was born.

 

He didn't take the time to remove all the additional unneeded material or balance the baskets like the guys at Qualex did for me. The Withrow Steel Basket is a exact Steel Replica if the Mattoon Basket. He only machined 5 baskets total and one of them (the 1st one he made) was flawed. I think he has 2 more left, after they sell the Withrow Steel Baskets are done. There's not many hard core Banshee trail riders out there and with all the negativity and speculation associated with the weight topic there wasn't a demand for them. IMO the ultimate Banshee Clutch Setup would be Hinson's Hard Anodized Steel Basket, but they don't make one for the Banshee. They could even offer a steel version of the spring-loaded basket/clutch kit that comes with the Straight Cut Primary Drive Gears.

 

Anyway check my Steel Basket out and see what you think about it.

 

 

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anybody tried these ? i never have but the idea sounds good. aluminum basket with steel inserts over the fingers http://www.ebay.com/itm/Barnett-Clutch-Basket-Billet-For-Yamaha-YFZ350-Banshee-87-06-/191199013363?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c845969f3&vxp=mtr

Thats the barnett basket I was referring to..   Thack said he grooved one.. I'd like to see a pic of it.  I've seen the baskets in person and they seem to be pretty good.

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Thats the barnett basket I was referring to..   Thack said he grooved one.. I'd like to see a pic of it.  I've seen the baskets in person and they seem to be pretty good.

I'm looking for a picture of the Red Hard Anodized Barnett Clutch Basket I know I have some but their on a old cell phone I've got around here somewhere. I had the Barnett Basket previous to the Mattoon Basket. I will say it lasted a lot longer than than the Mattoon. I also wanted to make it clear that I didn't have the Aluminum Barnett Basket with the Steel Inserts, I bought a standard 7-Plate Barnett Clutch Dirt Digger Kit, Cushions, and Billet Basket new on sale off Amazon.

 

I tried to get a replacement and the Amazon Store I bought it from gave me a contact email and told me I'd have to go through Barnett. I sent them pictures of the grooved basket and requested a replacement and the customer service representive told me their warranty only applied to damaged and flawed baskets that were unused, and the clutch Basket was a wear item. I replied and said I understood but I expected the clutch and basket to atleast last 3-5yrs and he replied and ask me if I possibly had a wore inner hub or a clutch dragging issue caused by a clutch lever/cable that was not adjusted properly. I told him my lever was a self adjusting Streamline Hydraulic Lever and my inner hub was the OEM Hub but it wasn't bad enough to allow the plates to smack the basket hard enough to wear it out in less than two years. He simply told me he was sorry I had issues but he couldn't help me.

 

So then I ordered Mattoon's Extreeme Heavy Duty 8-Plate Billet Aluminum Basket that came with Hinson Cushions, and a Steel Backing Plate, and I ordered a Driveline Trail/Track HD Clutch Kit thinking the "Extreme Heavy Duty" ment it was a durable billet basket. It was junk in less than 16hrs of ride time to the point I broke a fiber plate. I got a rash of shit from from Keith too, but he did tell me if I would return it he would look at it and if he felt the basket failed and it wasn't associated with any other problem related to the quad itself he would replace it.

 

At that point I started doing research on Steel Baskets and read the positve feed back and results of the aditional weight so I had my basket machined out of 41/40 Steel. I looked at the Barnet Baskets with the steel inserts and I felt like the pins could eventually wear the holes in the basket and cause the inserts to fall out in time and mess other stuff and I was pissed at Barnett for not at least selling me a new basket at discounted/reduced cost.

 

If I had been worried about the additional weight robbing power even after I had my Steel Basket made The guys at Qualex would have machined me a new one out of titanium for free, but some additional basket weight does offer a real advantage for a woods quad without limiting RPM's like additional flywheel weight does.

 

I'll post pictures of both the Billet Aluminum Baskets and the Stock Inner Hub as soon as I find my old phone and get it charged up.

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ok i stopped reading at about page 5.    the steel basket i think is a good idear.  but i personally think the one on the ebay could be lightened a shit ton and still be strong enough.  just big ass fingers in steel has me concerned..   the comments about the ktm clutch advancements makes perfect sense to me also.  if a well known multi million dollar company is willing to do them this way and thinks after investing who knows how much in the design and manufacture of a new clutch system  then decided to use steel for longevity  that says a lot to me about the idear.

 

as far as all the bitchin and whining  most failures are from dumb mistakes or abusing crappy parts, and bad installs, tuning etc.

 

holy shit  didnt know this was 22 pages of bullshit!

i thought i read something about the purpose of the steel basket. make the engine narrower from side to side. steel was probly the perfect idea because it could be more compact and still have good strength. i doubt there would much if any difference in weight from the thinner steel basket or larger alloy basket in previous years. plus they incorporated the ring gear as one with the basket. so i imagine its probly lighter than a person would think

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