All fluids

[sergiohdz18]

I just bought my banshee and wanted to know what are the absolute best of the best fluids for these bikes? $ is not a problem I just want to insure the safety of my motor(2stroke oil, coolant, tranny, ect) I heard caster 2 stroke oil was great and there is some special coolant that does not let it overheat. I really have no idea so please share your thoughts!

[87sheerips]

Engine ice/gear saver/super techniplate

 

In my opinion of course

[camatv]

klotz. super techniplate.  screw caster oils.

 

green antifreeze mixed 50/50

 

royal purple or klotz lower end oil for 2 strokes must saqy on the bottle OK for wet clutch  klots will most likely say that but the royal purple you have to get the right stuff.

[nastyracing]

Engine ice

AMs oil dominator

80 weight Honda gear oil

[AZBIKE_460]

Maxima and bel ray are the best manufactures of "lubes" by far. I run at least 50/50 mix of Sunoco 110 leaded with 87 mixed with maxima castor 927@28:1 or richer. There is no oil stronger than castor, and if anyone tries to dispute that just look it up. Castor has twice the film strength and temp protection over any other oil and ESPECIALLY synths. It's basically a 70/30 mix of castor/synth to help keep things clean. When mixed rich enough and you keep your temps right then it burns just as clean if not cleaner than any regular mineral oil. Klotz super techniplate is like a 80/20 synth/castor mix and it builds carbon at least 10x faster than maxima castor. No oil is stronger than castor, period. That is fact, no opinion in that. Do some research, look up the msds sheets on all lubes that you may be thinking of running. See what's in em. Running leaded fuel, jetted right, and kept within 220° range the cyls will last forever. Lead is key though. Just gotta stay on it or else you'll foul plugs quickly. I run maxima gear oil as well. Any coolant mixed 50/50 will do, add redline water wetter for a little better cooling. There is waterless coolant that has like a 400° boiling point, which is a massive jump over water containing coolant. If you're boiling over constantly something isn't right. I'm running very hogged out .080 cyls with 31mm bored carbs, T5's and I can keep it wide open hittin the dunes all day and no boiling over, hell it's a feat to hit 200+! Do some research and screw full synths.. But honestly do some research, look at the msds sheets on all lubes

[AZBIKE_460]

Not trying to de rail the thread but don't follow the synth trend of running the leanest possible oil ratio. There has been testing and it's extremely easy to find, the more oil you can pack in there the better off you are. Rings seal better, more lube, keeps temps down, and best of all it keeps the cyls cleaner!!!! Everything but your pipes.. Castor def builds up in your pipes, especially running leaded fuel. I haven't had really any build up in my banshee pipes though. I do have to clean my pipes on my goped running castor @22:1 like every month, but for a cheap Chinese chrome plated 46cc spinning 15k tons of castor and lead have made my motors last 10x longer. No scoring or plating failures that is extremely common on those things. Ex port is clean enough to wipe off any carbon with your finger. All about jetting right and running the correct mix of oil and ratio for your riding style. You never go over 3k sure run 40:1 synth. You actually run your motors then mix it at at least 32:1 on a shee. Research research research. TONS of mis info on this subject and I expect people to bash what I said but I'll provide links for anyone who disputes what I've said.

[4psnu]

110 leaded mixed with 87...... so what octane are you running then????

[trickedcarbine]

Castor is great stuff, BUT it doesn't need to be any richer then 32:1. Contrary to what's been said, to much oil is not a better thing all the time. To much oil will over heat as well.

 

Also, no castor on PV motors. Just sticks them up.

[bluebanshee98]

Engine ice, klotz R50 with 110, royal purple synchromax

[AZBIKE_460]

I'm running 18cc domes in my cool head so I at least try and always keep the octane at 95+ If I'm running low on leaded or in a situation like that but mixing leaded with unleaded the octane rating goes up higher than the avg of the two. I'm pretty sure lead raises the motor octane rating more than the research... In short it resists "detonation" extremely well. E85 is also an awesome fuel but that's a whole other can of worms. I always mix a crazy fuel up. Best all around fuel mix I've ran was E85 mixed with a little VP U4.4 in my two strokes. That E85 really bumps the torque up, and it's way easier to use than methanol. Anyways of course you can always run too much oil, it all depends on what type of oil, fuel, bore size, rpm, load, everything. There is no generic ratio, it's always different. Just remember there is no replacement for having too little oil. Your bike would rather have too much horrible oil over way too little of the best oil. There is a tipping point, and the best way to find it is just progressively add oil & mess with jetting till it runs the way you want. Running a super lean oil ratio always seemed to mimic a lean air:fuel ratio to me.. Like it looses the bottom/mid and vibrates more. When you got just the right ratio you'll know. Bigger the bore less oil it needs. But rpm/load play a big part in requirements too. Run leaded, need a little less oil. I definitely wouldn't recommend castor in PV motors unless you're running alc with it or know the scavenging patterns well enough to know it won't gunk it up. I really hate klotz supertechniplate though... By far that is the worst oil if you're trying to keep things clean. I've ran repsol 100% synth and it surprised me, runs super clean and does protect decently. Idk I just won't run any other oil than castor. No oil comes close to its film strength and temp range, that's not opinion that's just fact. Idk how blendzall castor or klotz benol burns but maxima 927 is definitely cleaner burning than klotz supertechniplate. Sorry for the super long posts

[sprinklerman]

I've been running Klotz SuperTechniplate for many years on at least 8-9 different motors and can honestly say I've NEVER had a gummed up motor. They've always been spotless. Several times cleaner than maxima 927.

[n2otoofast4u]

I'm running 18cc domes in my cool head so I at least try and always keep the octane at 95+ If I'm running low on leaded or in a situation like that but mixing leaded with unleaded the octane rating goes up higher than the avg of the two. I'm pretty sure lead raises the motor octane rating more than the research... In short it resists "detonation" extremely well. E85 is also an awesome fuel but that's a whole other can of worms. I always mix a crazy fuel up. Best all around fuel mix I've ran was E85 mixed with a little VP U4.4 in my two strokes. That E85 really bumps the torque up, and it's way easier to use than methanol. Anyways of course you can always run too much oil, it all depends on what type of oil, fuel, bore size, rpm, load, everything. There is no generic ratio, it's always different. Just remember there is no replacement for having too little oil. Your bike would rather have too much horrible oil over way too little of the best oil. There is a tipping point, and the best way to find it is just progressively add oil & mess with jetting till it runs the way you want. Running a super lean oil ratio always seemed to mimic a lean air:fuel ratio to me.. Like it looses the bottom/mid and vibrates more. When you got just the right ratio you'll know. Bigger the bore less oil it needs. But rpm/load play a big part in requirements too. Run leaded, need a little less oil. I definitely wouldn't recommend castor in PV motors unless you're running alc with it or know the scavenging patterns well enough to know it won't gunk it up. I really hate klotz supertechniplate though... By far that is the worst oil if you're trying to keep things clean. I've ran repsol 100% synth and it surprised me, runs super clean and does protect decently. Idk I just won't run any other oil than castor. No oil comes close to its film strength and temp range, that's not opinion that's just fact. Idk how blendzall castor or klotz benol burns but maxima 927 is definitely cleaner burning than klotz supertechniplate. Sorry for the super long posts

[possum]

FFS.. beat you to it Green

[AZBIKE_460]

E85 is a great fuel for a given application. If you know how to get the benefits from it how is it not an intermediate fuel between pump and methanol? Doesn't eat at the motor as bad as methanol, easier to start and run. Little bit better mileage. And by terms of pure strength and protection castor is by far the strongest oil. And i said no matter what oil you use your premix ratio depends on your exact application. Not my motors that are getting deprived of lube and getting gunked up. Research it for yourself or keep on taking people's word for it like mine. I said research it. Show me some evidence that anything I said was wrong. Show me the cyls pitted out and destroyed after 15 years of E85 and synthetic oil. Then I'll say to you that the extra power was well worth replacing the float needle and o ring every few years. E85 isn't nearly as bad on our carbs/motors as rumored to be when used right.

[AZBIKE_460]

I've yet to see some reputable evidence or some valid argument against what I've said. Sure running straight 110 leaded or a nice clean unleaded ethanol free fuel will keep things rust free and all rubber parts that it comes in contact with in better condition, but is someone going to tell me you can't get more power with E85 and never worry about overheating? You'll probably say that you should advance the timing while running alcohol based fuel such as E85 and methanol to get all the benefits from it possible? Are you going to say methanol is a horrible fuel as well? And that synthetics protect at twice the temps that castor oils do? Give me some feedback here! No one has posted up any evidence to discredit what I've said. the poor quality of pump gas as well as the detrimental effects of adding ethanol to that fuel that is already of super poor quality and what it does to our bikes/cars that are designed to run on pump fuel has nothing to do with the info I was trying to provide. That is a whole different can of worms and I do agree that gasohol is horrible. I'm not talking about that though so aside from that stuff what do you have to discredit me or teach me something I don't know. Everything I've said I've learned via research and being friends with a very well educated engine builder of all kinds, so please tell me something I'm missing. Synthetics and lean oil ratios have their place that's for sure, but for my style and how I build my motors I want to know their going to run as strong as they can with as linear and well rounded powerband as possible while being able to flog it all day and never worry about fouling a plug or over heating. FYI I never disputed the fact that synthetics keep things super clean, only that they are the weakest oil you can use. Hence their ability to keep things clean.