n2otoofast4u Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 As soon as PS went to a pay site nearly all the tech talk stopped As soon as all the snomo homos took over PS it went to shit As soon as everyone realized that Ohton was doing nothing for the sport other than pissing people off it was done. At some point all of the Ohton ball washers are going to have to realize that he has done NOTHING for this sport in 5 years. Yes, He put on a couple races early in those 5 years, but there was no recognition given to people who deserved it, and there was nothing but hands out for money and nothing in return for the racers. Here we sit with ZERO races from PS in 3 years, and 1 in the last 4 that had any sort of large attendance. What is he doing for the sport? Nothing? Correct, NOTHING!! So for CP and a few of his ball washers to stay focused on any sort direction with PS is a terrible business move! Although I dont agree with what PSDA does all the time, the fact is that they are putting on races, and do infact have some cash payouts that exceed the price of the entry fee. BUT until there are governing rules that puts the masses on a much more even playing field with the few power houses the sport will go nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2otoofast4u Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 STY, I got to thinking.. You said that PS was full of technical threads and information.. I didn't frequent there and don't have any idea what the threads are about, but could it be possible that the high performance Banshee industry has slowed down on tech gains? I mean, there haven't been any new cylinders released for a while now, at least not from CP. With so many builders across the country having a dyno or access to one, is it possible that advances in Banshee tech have nearly come to a halt? Again, not a builder, but surely there are only so many possible combinations for these current motors. For example, the 4mm Serval has been out a while now and nearly every builder has built or tested them. They're getting 85+ on pump gas and 90+ on race gas. Is it possible they hit a wall with them? Just thinking out loud.. The serval isnt a real good example because it has a very specific market. Sure theres more left. Just keep porting it until its a cub. To keep a serval having a powerband that everyone was so wanting from a serval you can only go so far. HOWEVER, now that CP has quit releasing cylds every week what you are seeing is MORE technology than ever showing up. Your seeing cubs (that have been out for YEARS) going faster. Your seeing DMs that were built when they first came out being updated because builders have learned new things with them. It used to be if you wanted to go faster you just bought the latest and greatest cylds and then when the next "great" thing came along you would go buy those. Now people/builders are spending more time on existing cylds an setups and you are seeing bikes going faster and making more power on smaller motors as well as motor combos that have been around for a long time. K&T has 2 motors that are bigger than their existing triple cougar. Why arent they using them? Because they are still getting faster with the motor they are running because they have been working on it. Look at the stock cyld game. Another perfect example of new technologies being applied to shit thats been around since the day a banshee was released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Hmm, I hadn't thought of it that way.. Either way, at some point some of these guys will be looking to advertise somewhere, and currently they only have a couple options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camatv Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 yup.. its nice to see more places concentrating on existing motor combos that are more practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowerThanYou Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 STY, I got to thinking.. You said that PS was full of technical threads and information.. I didn't frequent there and don't have any idea what the threads are about, but could it be possible that the high performance Banshee industry has slowed down on tech gains? I mean, there haven't been any new cylinders released for a while now, at least not from CP. With so many builders across the country having a dyno or access to one, is it possible that advances in Banshee tech have nearly come to a halt? Again, not a builder, but surely there are only so many possible combinations for these current motors. For example, the 4mm Serval has been out a while now and nearly every builder has built or tested them. They're getting 85+ on pump gas and 90+ on race gas. Is it possible they hit a wall with them? Just thinking out loud.. I must say, you have been taking a little more serious note on a few of your posts lately. LOL! To tell you the truth, I don't feel the performance Banshee industry is even close to modern day Motorsports. There's much more that can be done with motor components, but too much emphasis is being put on motors. There are many additional items that should be looked into using & we try to do some of that. The clutch tuning is one of my favorites. ATV clutching technology is easily 10-15 years behind most racing Motorsports & even more in some cases. Enough said on that, without getting Windy. Another is ignition technology & it seems to be catching up slowly. We love the features of the Dyna CDI, but it's limited. The newer Digital MSD ignitions in our race cars can do some amazing things. The MSD MC-4 motorcycle ignition is being adapted for use on 2 cylinder 2 strokes. It has most if not all the same features of the car ignitions. Fuels have become a big player in Motorsports lately. Using oxygenated race gas like Q16 can come pretty close to the power of Alky. Some people at VP will say it makes more power in certain applications. All I know is it works great for us & we were competitive with it in our 443 cub motor. One last area that's having a great impact on going faster, is tires. The American Racers are improving 60's & ETs. I still think that it's outdated technology for some of the bigger build drag bikes. I only hit on a few areas & my opinion has always been. Too many people focus too much on the motor. Nothing wrong with having the most power for a given motor combination. The problem is most can't get that power down to the ground in an efficient manner. That's where a proper ignition box tune will allow power to be taken away in certain areas to go faster; just to give an example! Like usual this is just my opinion, so member's don't get their panties in a twist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowerThanYou Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 ^ should be the owner of BHQ I do own this place, LocoHomo is my biatch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickedcarbine Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 PS did have some very technical stuff explained between some of the most knowledgable in the business, but it has come to a complete halt. Just a few guys that lurk over there that it would be nice to see come here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Madd Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 STY, I got to thinking.. You said that PS was full of technical threads and information.. I didn't frequent there and don't have any idea what the threads are about, but could it be possible that the high performance Banshee industry has slowed down on tech gains? I mean, there haven't been any new cylinders released for a while now, at least not from CP. With so many builders across the country having a dyno or access to one, is it possible that advances in Banshee tech have nearly come to a halt? Again, not a builder, but surely there are only so many possible combinations for these current motors. For example, the 4mm Serval has been out a while now and nearly every builder has built or tested them. They're getting 85+ on pump gas and 90+ on race gas. Is it possible they hit a wall with them? Just thinking out loud.. I must say, you have been taking a little more serious note on a few of your posts lately. LOL! To tell you the truth, I don't feel the performance Banshee industry is even close to modern day Motorsports. There's much more that can be done with motor components, but too much emphasis is being put on motors. There are many additional items that should be looked into using & we try to do some of that. The clutch tuning is one of my favorites. ATV clutching technology is easily 10-15 years behind most racing Motorsports & even more in some cases. Enough said on that, without getting Windy. Another is ignition technology & it seems to be catching up slowly. We love the features of the Dyna CDI, but it's limited. The newer Digital MSD ignitions in our race cars can do some amazing things. The MSD MC-4 motorcycle ignition is being adapted for use on 2 cylinder 2 strokes. It has most if not all the same features of the car ignitions. Fuels have become a big player in Motorsports lately. Using oxygenated race gas like Q16 can come pretty close to the power of Alky. Some people at VP will say it makes more power in certain applications. All I know is it works great for us & we were competitive with it in our 443 cub motor. One last area that's having a great impact on going faster, is tires. The American Racers are improving 60's & ETs. I still think that it's outdated technology for some of the bigger build drag bikes. I only hit on a few areas & my opinion has always been. Too many people focus too much on the motor. Nothing wrong with having the most power for a given motor combination. The problem is most can't get that power down to the ground in an efficient manner. That's where a proper ignition box tune will allow power to be taken away in certain areas to go faster; just to give an example! Like usual this is just my opinion, so member's don't get their panties in a twist. The thing about some of that is,it has been tried and not yielded better results. Not personally by me. I generally agree with that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m671054 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 The technical threads on ps are the direct result of the caliber of the members that were on the site at the time. here there are so many members who dont understand shit. Maybe we could get into some more in depth tech if all the noob crap was restricted to one forum. make it so they can only post there untill they have like 100 posts or something. also if we used the tech thread for tech discussion and held back from arguing in true bhq fashion i think the 30 or so knowledgablee guys on here could bring this site close to ps levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m671054 Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 The technical threads on ps are the direct result of the caliber of the members that were on the site at the time. here there are so many members who dont understand shit. Maybe we could get into some more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4psnu Posted June 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I guess I picked the right builder, we will see how we'll my Ohtton motor runs!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickedcarbine Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I almost bought a 4mm DMX cylinder that had Ohton carved in the side of it. Just can't really commit to a drag build till the hybrid ever gets done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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