papa_smurf49319 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Okay long story short i dune, drag(silver lake), and occasionaly ride some fast open trails (baldwin Mi) Passion 12 port on race gas, 185 psi, Jim claims 80 horse motor Currently running stock length swinger with 21X12X8 9 paddle skat trak extremes on douglas .125's Cant keep the front end down for the life of me in a race Debating on going with +4 or +6, was thinking of going with stellar, not looking to spend a ton of money but definately dont wanna cheap out either, i need a nice reliable swinger, and roundhouse carrier. Does anyone know what length chain ill need? Will the stock axle work okay in a dual row aftermarket carrier, obviously wont go for a big drag axle carrier. As far as a rear shock, im 190 lbs and currently have a good stock rear shock, would a spring suffice, or should i get it revalved as well. I dont want the ass end sagging, or would it be cheaper to just go with a aftermarket (doubt it)? Thanks Cody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickedcarbine Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 I know mine is 80 HP and there are a few things I can tweak and make a bit more so I'd bet you are in the 85 range if tuned right. So it's probably definitely a handful. Not sure on the length chain but you would probably be pretty stoked on a + 4 and a stock shock gone through by Matt at So Cal. What are the trails like up there. I spent some time up there in the GEO MYCF. I just remember watching quads hauling ass by us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 I'd go with a +4. Here's the chain length calculator - http://www.metaltechproducts.com/Chain_Calculator.htm As far as the rear shock, if you only go +4 or +6 I think you can keep the valving and run a new spring. You'll need to talk to Matt about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINDYCITYJOHN400 Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Cody, you can't go wrong at Silverlake or even Baldwin trails with a +6. Our ride group hits both areas and nobody in the group runs less than a +5. You can go with +4 if your passion is riding wheelies. But if you want to drag that bike and make the most of that motor and tire combo....I'd go +6. Call Stellar or a site sponsor and get a chromoly round carrier style arm. NOT an ebay mild steel unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa_smurf49319 Posted March 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Thanks guys for the replies. My freind runs a +6 on his Herr juggs ported stock stroke and he said its to much, he's also running 8 paddle extremes as well. I think ill find myself hillshooting and dragging more this summer than anything. Been debating on building up a nice cub, don't know how much better that will be then what I already have but that's a diff question. I hopped on m&m's site and priced out the stellar swingers he sells. Question I have is should I go ladder or arched? I don't care to much for just the plain round tube. Tricked. The trails are usually groomed very well and there's everything you'd want from tight and twisty(little o) to wide and fast(little manistee, Lincoln hills trails) also tin cup is fun and there's a badass hill to climb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa_smurf49319 Posted March 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Sounded a bit confusing above, my freind has 8 paddle extremes, and I have 9. I'm leaning towards the 6 as long as I dont have to spend a ton on shockwork compared to the 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmon_slayer06 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 I'm building a 4mill trail ported motor, lots of other mods looking to be around mid 60 to 70ish hp. I have all stock suspension. I currently have well worn 10 paddle taller haulers. Let me tell you, man do those tires throw a roost! Anyways.... I ride St. Helens trail system. St. Helen snowpackers groom the trails for the sleds in the winter and regroom them after the snow melts. Long wide open trails with some areas full throttle. The main ORV trail is what you want to ride. It goes as far as Roscommon and ends down by the power lines near Denton Creek. I run paddles every time I go. Loose sand with a couple spots that are hard pack but I tread lightly in those spots to save my paddles. I checked out so cal suspension website. If I want to save money, would rebuilding the stock shocks and possibly replacing the rear spring be the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINDYCITYJOHN400 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Stock rear shock can be made into a nice useful unit. Factory fronts are good for a static display and holding the bike off the ground. If your planning to do any riding other than in a grass field, then the stockers should be one of the first things to be upgraded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa_smurf49319 Posted March 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 I really like the look of the archer ladder that stellar has. Can someone explain the advantages and disadvantages of each style swinger and what they'd reccomend? Also does anyone have any pictures of stellar swingarms on there bikes. Or who they used and how they like it. Thanks Cody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZ2FLEE Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 IMO anything longer than a +4 is hard to trail ride, unless they are super wide seasonal roads or whatever! i ride some pretty open, fast trails up north a ways by Cadillac, Lake City area and i think a +6 would be a bit much...that being said i went with Stellar for my +2 and the craftsmanship is second to none! amazing work and it bolted right up....to each their own! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87sheerips Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 +4 is more fun. You will lose most races with 80hp anyways at silver lake, lol... And the people who you can beat, you can beat with your wheels up the whole track. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87sheerips Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Here is my stellar HD +4. It is a bad mofo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdgriff Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 I like my fireball +4 alot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa_smurf49319 Posted April 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Here is my stellar HD +4. It is a bad mofo. True, i don't plan on blowing anyone outta the water. Had fun dragging with the stock arm and was running every stock cylinder Down on the big end. Just don't wanna limit myself with that +4. I can see myself building a nasttttttttttttty cub in the future. Cody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evansouders Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 do a plus 6 you wont regret it i trailed my stock banshee with pipes and some lil port work and i could bomb trails hill climb wheelie and drag and it never failed me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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