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I found this thread while looking around for info and have a few questions...

 

http://bansheehq.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=140526

 

This has to be an old thread, but I found it very informative. I
wanted to clear something up first before I have mine cut, or do it
myself. Is this the mod that makes the trans shift easier and helps
solve the missed gears like 2nd? I haven't done much in modding my
tranny except the shift star mod. But I'm about to do a list of things
before I drop a stroker crank into this project I have going right
now.....

 

Modded shift star

Shift Shaft mod.. opeing on end opened up

Shift shaft bearings

Shift drum bearing mod

Possibly replacing shift forks if mine are bent

And
cutting the dogs off the gears. How many gears in this tranny get this
done? 2, or 4? Site has been a great deal of help.....

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i have had good luck with cutting only 3rd and 4th gear. seems like those are the ones that give the most trouble. i start off in 2nd most of the time anyways. wildcard put the bearing on the drum for me, i want to say it was 45 bucks to have that done.

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How many of u guys have done the shift shaft bearings and where and what bearings do u use ? Also is this mod even worthwhile

I have only seen shift shaft bearings on an RZ350. It required machining the bushing holes bigger and in the end the guy said he didn't think it was worth it. You can replace the bushings with some better materials that might have a smoother feel, but that isn't really a mod you will notice.
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i cut all 6 gears, modify the shift shaft  ( i use an assembled case for this  as it has to be done just right  or it can pull into the next gear..) i put a bearing on the end of the drum, and i also cut the drum where the bearing goes on in a certain way.  i also cut down the shift star.  and that also is done a certain way so that it actually rolls better, instead of just rounding off the edges

 

recently i did one with a MULL bearing on the roller  i really liked the way that worked out.  

 

i also cut the gears vertically instead of in a rotary like whats pictured.  these gears are super hard  and you will go through a few milling cutters doing them. i dont use the bearing on the shift shaft  i didnt think it really did much.  the biggest problems is the entire relationship between those parts i re-do.   if you just do one thing like cut 2 gears  it will still at times shift crappy.  i designed mine to shift right everytime no matter what. full throttle upshifts are possible with a slight hit of the clutch to unload.  i think even with a chift interrupt they could be completely clutchless..  but i have never tried that.

 

the biggest plus to doing this is the lack of shift fork wear that happens with any duneable or override..  

 

sometimes there are other issues with the transmission that causes all kinds of problems.  burnt gears  burnt shafts, worn shift shaft's bad drums bent forks bent guides stuff like that.  

 

the price MOST machine shops will charge for cutting the gears and what you would pay for the drum bearing and or the other parts individually usually is much more than what i charge to do the entire transmission.  plus  you get the added benefit of someone who rides these things and knows what to look for as far as other problems. 

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I took the main shaft and countershaft assemblies out of the case today. I took pictures of them before I took them apart. I found 3 gears on the countershaft that have 6 dogs. On the main shaft I found 2 that have 6 dogs. I'm going to have someone mill these.

 

I was going to drill out the bigger holes for the shift shaft bearings but realized that I need a certain size drill bit. The outside diameter of the  bearings are 1.630".

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I took the main shaft and countershaft assemblies out of the case today. I took pictures of them before I took them apart. I found 3 gears on the countershaft that have 6 dogs. On the main shaft I found 2 that have 6 dogs. I'm going to have someone mill these.

 

I was going to drill out the bigger holes for the shift shaft bearings but realized that I need a certain size drill bit. The outside diameter of the  bearings are 0.630".

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