dave5.0 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 That funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINDYCITYJOHN400 Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) It blows my mind people are buying new pipes to clear carbs/filters instead of changing intakes/getting angled filters Right! But what can you do? You can't cover all the issues without the attention deficit/learning disabled members busting your balls for posting a novel. You got guys running spacer plates on cylinders, reeds spacers on carbs, different intake heights for different stroke motors, multiple intake designs, multiple carb shapes and sizes, endless filter designs, 5-6 different head shapes, aftermarket solid pipe mounts, taller and wider cylinder designs showing up on the market all the time, builders who tell you to run BB pipes, (Cause you don't want to hear that your new bad ass motor needs Small bore pipes. After all bigger is better right?) You got guys with custom chassis, custom sub-frames, bigger and bigger clutch covers. The list of possible issues is endless. But the pipes get bolted on last, so guess who get's all the complaints? On top of all that, the In-Frames have to dodge there way around all those issues, while also passing thru the one point on the bike where most of those issues come together in one small place. It really blows my mind the chatter that fitment gets from these guys with the OOF pipes. They wait months for custom chassis to arrive, then for powder coating, then for cylinders to get ported , people talk all the time about float bowl drains hitting clutch actuator arms and they deal with that without having a grand-maul-hissy fit, They bolt top ends together, then measure and wait for custom domes......But despite the possible issues with pipe fitment, do they order a raw set and test fit them? Do they tweak them to fit their needs, then send them back for final assembly and chrome? Nope. They just order those pipes in chrome and hope for the best. Sounds like the choice of intakes solves the issues for at least a few people. Could have spent less and been able to run most pipes without issue. Fitment isn't an issue......cause they are on every motor combo you can picture. Performance is where it's at! If you buy a set of pipes because of how they sound?...........Your doing it wrong. You know why the guys with Shearers on their bikes aren't worried about fitment? Because when you have a big swingin' dick between your legs.........the last thing your worried about is how your going to fit it in your pants! Note: No site members or pipe builders were harmed in the creation of this post. Edited September 6, 2012 by WINDYCITYJOHN400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave5.0 Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Right! But what can you do? You can't cover all the issues without the attention deficit/learning disabled members busting your balls for posting a novel. You got guys running spacer plates on cylinders, reeds spacers on carbs, different intake heights for different stroke motors, multiple intake designs, multiple carb shapes and sizes, endless filter designs, 5-6 different head shapes, aftermarket solid pipe mounts, taller and wider cylinder designs showing up on the market all the time, builders who tell you to run BB pipes, (Cause you don't want to hear that your new bad ass motor needs Small bore pipes. After all bigger is better right?) You got guys with custom chassis, custom sub-frames, bigger and bigger clutch covers. The list of possible issues is endless. But the pipes get bolted on last, so guess who get's all the complaints? On top of all that, the In-Frames have to dodge there way around all those issues, while also passing thru the one point on the bike where most of those issues come together in one small place. It really blows my mind the chatter that fitment gets from these guys with the OOF pipes. They wait months for custom chassis to arrive, then for powder coating, then for cylinders to get ported , people talk all the time about float bowl drains hitting clutch actuator arms and they deal with that without having a grand-maul-hissy fit, They bolt top ends together, then measure and wait for custom domes......But despite the possible issues with pipe fitment, do they order a raw set and test fit them? Do they tweak them to fit their needs, then send them back for final assembly and chrome? Nope. They just order those pipes in chrome and hope for the best. Sounds like the choice of intakes solves the issues for at least a few people. Could have spent less and been able to run most pipes without issue. Fitment isn't an issue......cause they are on every motor combo you can picture. Performance is where it's at! If you buy a set of pipes because of how they sound?...........Your doing it wrong. You know why the guys with Shearers on their bikes aren't worried about fitment? Because when you have a big swingin' dick between your legs.........the last thing your worried about is how your going to fit it in your pants! Note: No site members or pipe builders were harmed in the creation of this post. Can you shorten that up? I found it a hard read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINDYCITYJOHN400 Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Can you shorten that up? I found it a hard read. http://www.texavery.com/sounds/breakitup.wav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camatv Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 cheetah's dont have problems with carbs rubbing clutch lever even with bigger bowls.. and i like mozzarella cheese on my chicken parm i dont have a clue what all this 49+page post is actually getting at.. wow never seen this kinda crap with the whole rdz/ shear thing that happend or the scamozinsky of the whole rocket debacle what about JAWS pipes?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 It really blows my mind the chatter that fitment gets from these guys with the OOF pipes. John, Do you own and ride a bike with OOF pipes? If so, what kind of chassis and motor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINDYCITYJOHN400 Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 John, Do you own and ride a bike with OOF pipes? If so, what kind of chassis and motor? At one point I had a 10 mill cub with a Metal Tech +4 frame, but I had CPI OOF BB's on it at that time. Same issues. It has to not hit the bottom frame rail and be able to mount to a foot peg. Mine had the IMS foot pegs, so I had a custom mount made to make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slobanshee Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 Just spent all the time to read 50 pages of this. And my $.02 is I had shearer inframs and cpi's both on a 10mil k&t motor. Very interesting Point I have. On the dyno the sniper came in earlier and signed off later. It did make a little more power over all. And it did fit the bike and clear my 18in filters and 41.3 lectrons... My complaint is one I havnt seen yet. The exhaust is so big that sitting normally (cruising) my legs almost touch the exhaust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave5.0 Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 Just spent all the time to read 50 pages of this. And my $.02 is I had shearer inframs and cpi's both on a 10mil k&t motor. Very interesting Point I have. On the dyno the sniper came in earlier and signed off later. It did make a little more power over all. And it did fit the bike and clear my 18in filters and 41.3 lectrons... My complaint is one I havnt seen yet. The exhaust is so big that sitting normally (cruising) my legs almost touch the exhaust Inframe or oof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotta_goatsfast Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 If he mentioned it cleared the carbs/filters I would assume in frame. If an oof hit the carbs/filters then you're doing it wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave5.0 Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 If he mentioned it cleared the carbs/filters I would assume in frame. If an oof hit the carbs/filters then you're doing it wrong! Ya I missed that part. Ive spent a good 4-5 days straight riding my turd now with shorts and riding boots. No burn marks on the pipes. You aren't 5'2" are ya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfSand Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 Just spent all the time to read 50 pages of this. And my $.02 is I had shearer inframs and cpi's both on a 10mil k&t motor. Very interesting Point I have. On the dyno the sniper came in earlier and signed off later. It did make a little more power over all. And it did fit the bike and clear my 18in filters and 41.3 lectrons... My complaint is one I havnt seen yet. The exhaust is so big that sitting normally (cruising) my legs almost touch the exhaust This is true... do you ride with full length boots? I do, other wise my legs would get hot. Who did the dyno work you speak about above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfSand Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 So Snipers made more power on a motor that was designed for Shearers? As I'm pretty sure all of K&T's motors are. Also the Sniper made more power on a motor when it wasnt designed for that big of a motor (above 421)? I find it hard to believe but anything is possible I guess. The small bore snipers ARE designed for 10 mil cubs. "Standard models were specifically designed for high BMEP engines from 392cc-485cc. This is ABSOLUTELY "THE" CHEETAH CUB PIPE OF ALL TIMES" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfSand Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 Hmmm.. When I talked I was told 421. Who did you talk with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slobanshee Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 So Snipers made more power on a motor that was designed for Shearers? As I'm pretty sure all of K&T's motors are. Also the Sniper made more power on a motor when it wasnt designed for that big of a motor (above 421)? I find it hard to believe but anything is possible I guess. It was a full k&t port,pistons, domes setup. It ran well with various exhausts, but had noticeable changes from each to the next. Yes kim said he liked shearers on his engines. While talking to Jim he said he made the changes needed to for the alky and 10mil setup. Whatt he changed I couldn't tell you. I'm not biased to anyone or any shop. I'm in the game to go as fast as possible regaurdless of who I buy from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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