ban421shee Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Looks like Windy is ignoring the fact that the 10 horsepower gain was inframe to inframe, now the posts are of Shearers best drag pipes and a out of frame Sniper has a three horsepower gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydownunder Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 The first episode of "Joanie Loves Chachi" was the highest rated American program in the history of Korean television. "Chachi" is Korean for "penis." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hp2000 Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQSZRlSVtYg&feature=youtube_gdata_player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ban421shee Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Mailman, what did your butt dyno tell you, even or an edge one way or the other? Bet its hard to talk about a bike that got stolen!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guns4children Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 He did tell Jesse his pipes wouldn't be ideal for his setup. Jesse would have spent the 1000 bucks on his pipes if he said it would make him faster but he didn't lie. Seems like a good dude to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydownunder Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 haha hell yeh SB !! we can take em off some sweet jumps !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Madd Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 I think you are mistaken. Keep in mind that this is all based on gas and not methanol. The longer you run a motor on the dyno, the hotter it will get which will push the curve to the right and read max rpm higher. Now tuning for max power on an atv dyno vs a car dyno is different and this may be where the disagreement lies. If you tune to max power on an atv dyno, then go to the hill, most likely you will burn up your motor from being too lean. Most atv dyno owners will richen up the main at least 2 to 3 sizes before they send a customer out the door because they know this. On a car dyno, the load is greater so it is possible to jet for max power on the dyno then go run the hill with the same jetting or maybe 1 size richer due to altitude and temps. Phx is about 1100 ft and Glamis is 0-500 ft. Here is a back to back comparison of the Snipers on the car dyno. You can see the curve shift right due to the increased heat. This is the same setup I ran the hill with. You can see this same thing happening on the atv dyno in my first graph that I posted. We run methanol, if that makes a difference; but when a motor is rich it ALWAYS moves the curve to rhe right on back to back runs. This is dyno max hp, not meant for the track. This is on Jason Menz dyno, his 397 Cub has run 3.57 in3 00 ft. Most motors twice that size struggle to get there. He makes his own pipes, btw. JIM -NOW you're talking about overrev? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassionRE Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 . JIM -NOW you're talking about overrev? LOL...at least YOU pay attention.I just mentioned it J-Madd, I dont depend on it...you know my philosophy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Madd Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Fair enough. How about coming to a Pro Sand Drag event and I bring a few Cubs and Sniper pipes and if you show them to win, that will be an asset for the Snipers. Leerjak race Labor Day weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINDYCITYJOHN400 Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Note to Jim. And you wondered where he got the name Windy... all air coming out of that mouth. For a casual under rider and track novice, you sure spout off a bunch without proving much...but we don't need to go there. In the years I've been to the MI dunes and tracks, I've never seen you at any of them once. Not once. So again, you can run your mouth all over, just like in your baby Trinity rants...but you're only making yourself look like a fool. You replied and pasted Jim's whole post, yet he asked you where he said they would make more power on every motor. Are you going to try and do that...or just prove you can hit reply, show Jim's post...then not add anything. BRILLIANT. We are going to test the OOF on a 4 mil cub in MI vs. some Shearer pipes. Same day. I believe it's going to be gas...not 100% sure. The man running the dyno has been around them for years and years. I have faith in his dyno ability (that's not a knock against D&M or anyone else in the thread...please don't take it that way anyone.) IF the Shearers make more, I'll post it. If the Sniper make more...I'll post that too. To be fair, the Snipers I have came with several stinger tubes with varying ID. And obviously the Shearer are stamped out of the box. I don't have 100% details of the complete setup, but I will once we get done. Carbs, ported or not, etc. Be a few weeks. Thanks to Mailman for posting up what he did and being civil and honest. What does ever having run into you have to do with anything? I've been up there once a month since at least 1996-1997. How would you know if you ever saw me? How would I know if I ever saw you? You don't know who I am......So? Do I need to pass some test with you to "Be somebody?" You don't know 90% of the members of this site. I'm a guy with a dyno who doesn't believe anything till he sees some real evidence. I believed all the talk about how CPI pipes were better for duning and all that fairy tail stuff. But after getting a dyno...many of those myths quickly fell away. I've watched as members of this site drooled with anticipation at the thought of a new pipe hitting the market. (I was one of them.) Now you see dyno runs from a well known member who has about as many dyno runs as anyone has ever had, and his results are showing that Shearer pipes came out on top. Unless your so desperate to see positives that your willing to toss aside the ATV dyno runs (The only kind you've ever seen posted before, that favored the Shearers to the tune of +10 HP) and wrap your hopes around a CAR dyno pass that shows the Shearers making more power for the almost the entire run till the last part of the run where Snipers made 3 more. Those runs were not even done on the same day! I didn't say that he claimed they would work on every motor.....I was saying that if your one of the many members who were hoping that these were going to be pipes that might make your SS 4 mill, or Serval, or Cub run like the wind.....you better sober up and wait for some better independent test results with some smaller motors. Hey is Jim or Gary going to fly out and tune your motor for you for the test? After all....results don't mean a thing if he didn't tune it. Looks like Windy is ignoring the fact that the 10 horsepower gain was inframe to inframe, now the posts are of Shearers best drag pipes and a out of frame Sniper has a three horsepower gain. No I'm commenting on these runs. Yes they are OOF pipes. But the point is that these OOF Snipers were built for THIS motor. The Shearers weren't "Shearers best drag pipes". They were just what Doug had hanging on the wall that happened to have the large exhaust flange. No where near the pipe Matt would recommend. Those ATV runs were at least 5HP lower than his old 492 Cheetah runs! They HAD to try something....so the shearers got put on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ban421shee Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 What does ever having run into you have to do with anything? I've been up there once a month since at least 1996-1997. How would you know if you ever saw me? How would I know if I ever saw you? You don't know who I am......So? Do I need to pass some test with you to "Be somebody?" You don't know 90% of the members of this site. I'm a guy with a dyno who doesn't believe anything till he sees some real evidence. I believed all the talk about how CPI pipes were better for duning and all that fairy tail stuff. But after getting a dyno...many of those myths quickly fell away. I've watched as members of this site drooled with anticipation at the thought of a new pipe hitting the market. (I was one of them.) Now you see dyno runs from a well known member who has about as many dyno runs as anyone has ever had, and his results are showing that Shearer pipes came out on top. Unless your so desperate to see positives that your willing to toss aside the ATV dyno runs (The only kind you've ever seen posted before, that favored the Shearers to the tune of +10 HP) and wrap your hopes around a CAR dyno pass that shows the Shearers making more power for the almost the entire run till the last part of the run where Snipers made 3 more. Those runs were not even done on the same day! I didn't say that he claimed they would work on every motor.....I was saying that if your one of the many members who were hoping that these were going to be pipes that might make your SS 4 mill, or Serval, or Cub run like the wind.....you better sober up and wait for some better independent test results with some smaller motors. Hey is Jim or Gary going to fly out and tune your motor for you for the test? After all....results don't mean a thing if he didn't tune it. No I'm commenting on these runs. Yes they are OOF pipes. But the point is that these OOF Snipers were built for THIS motor. The Shearers weren't "Shearers best drag pipes". They were just what Doug had hanging on the wall that happened to have the large exhaust flange. No where near the pipe Matt would recommend. Those ATV runs were at least 5HP lower than his old 492 Cheetah runs! They HAD to try something....so the shearers got put on. Ok, why did the Shearer pipes make the same power on both dynos 110hp and the Sniper make 113hp on one and 99hp on the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINDYCITYJOHN400 Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 The one was an ATV dyno = less heat. (99HP) Compare these runs to others you have seen posted The other was a CAR dyno = more heat (113HP) So the Sniper liked heat build up. (More heat helped) But only at the very end of the dyno run. Before that the Shearers are making more power. Plus those Car runs were on different days....so Go back to looking at the ATV runs. They were done back to back the same day on the same type of dyno your use to seeing numbers from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ban421shee Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 The one was an ATV dyno = less heat. (99HP) Compare these runs to others you have seen posted The other was a CAR dyno = more heat (113HP) So the Sniper liked heat build up. (More heat helped) But only at the very end of the dyno run. Before that the Shearers are making more power. Plus those Car runs were on different days....so Go back to looking at the ATV runs. They were done back to back the same day on the same type of dyno your use to seeing numbers from. What dyno (atv or car) would most simulate real world conditions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okbeast Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 What dyno (atv or car) would most simulate real world conditions? The track. Where this crap could have been settled if someone wouldn't have claimed +10HP gain over any other pipe.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ban421shee Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 The track. Where this crap could have been settled if someone wouldn't have claimed +10HP gain over any other pipe.... Sniper pipes are the only ones in the world that can say "They make 10 more horsepower and 10 less horsepower than Shearer" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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