Shearer or sniper pipes

[Colby]

Valid point.... HOWEVER, let's look at the fine print.

 

 

 

Let's take Halls Performance Racing's location into consideration when we make note of the added 3 horsepower that the Snipers made. Hall's is located in Glendale, Arizona.

 

On March 16, 2011, the average temperature of the day was 70.2 degrees Fahrenheit, with a barometric reading of 29.92 IN.

 

On May 27, 2011, the average temperature of the day was 85.0 degrees Farenheit, with a barometric reading of 29.72 IN.

 

Without knowing the exact time of day these dyno runs were made, we have to take into consideration the average for the day. I'm sure an ambient temperature difference of ~15 degrees would play a part in an increase in power, no? Without knowing humidity levels, this is the best assumption I can gather.

 

Source: http://www.almanac.com/weather/history/zipcode/85301/2011-03-16

Source: http://www.almanac.com/weather/history/zipcode/85301/2011-05-27

 

good point.. but SINCE your wanting to get into the FINE print.. is the dyno lcoation enclosed w/ heating/air conditioning? How can it be know the actual temperature of the place where the dyno runs were taken ?

[So Cal Suspension]

good point.. but SINCE your wanting to get into the FINE print.. is the dyno lcoation enclosed w/ heating/air conditioning? How can it be know the actual temperature of the place where the dyno runs were taken ?

Because I called Halls Performance and asked them.

 

Also, I didn't see that "printed" anywhere, therefore there wasn't any "fine print" to read.

 

 

 

 

 

Minor detail. Evidence at hand... evidence at hand. Assumptions are what started this whole thread.

[lms1977]

We have a spot we were all racing at last weekend just a flat area at the coalhills..

I have a high compression 10mil serval with shearer sb if

Bucky has a high compression 4mil cub ported and decked by redline CPI pipes

Justin and chad both have stock banshees with just fmf and t5's

 

Traction is not good here but all we have that's flat and 20 ft wide to race.!!!

 

In a race me vs Bucky I come out of the hole harder and everyone thinks I won everytime cause they can only see 300 or so ft down track but once in high gear the cub pulls on me everytime.

 

Me vs stock motors they actully come out of the hole just as hard as me and kinda keep up till I hit 5th gear which is probably 150ft then I pass them like there standing still..

 

Im 320lbs they are all 150-190lbs so IMO my weight helped off the line I would launch in 3rd gear do I did not have to shift as much.

 

The guy on the cub is a better rider and probably better tuner than me and making more power than me by passing me down track

 

The stock ish banshees did not make the power to stay with us after 150ft. But did good untill there I believe cause they did not fight traction. ??

 

We probably did 30+ races this week end

 

So in this one (track which it's not really) CPI did the best in the long race shearer was always fastest to 300ft and in a short race 150 or so ft sometimes the t5 and fmf were ahead??

 

I did not put this here to start crap I'm just showing how a track can favor a certain power and power delivery!!

Which Brad must have found that sweet spot that works great for him..!!!!

[dajogejr]

Well, I have searched through all of the back years of BBDR points. I found that he has won one race back a couple years ago, if there are more I did not see them. This year he has won 5 races in the 431 to 525 class with 4 race wins in a roll and one race in the open class. Something is different this year and Brad has said its the pipe.

 

He's won 1 race in all the back years of BBDR? C'mon...

I can tell you he's found the trick to get more traction via tires and setup, I remember his posting about it.

 

Look...you don't just go "winless" for years, put a pipe on and dominate. It's not that simple.

[WINDYCITYJOHN400]

Since Windy is having trouble telling the truth, this is a post from the owner of the Passion big motor and a dyno sheet.

 

 

Gee, welcome back to the conversation. Let me bring you up to speed......

Mailman is one of my best friends and I had all that dyno info over a year before he posted it for you to see.

What your also failing to mention is that the motor ran so poorly, that out of frustration, he took it to D+M to test on an ATV dyno and Doug couldn't believe how bad it ran either. So he took a set of Shearer OOF pipes he had hanging on the wall and slapped them on the bike and saw a big jump in power. (Mailman posted those curves too. But you conveniently ignore those and choose not to re-post them.)

 

I was completely hopeful that the new Snipers were going to be something awesome.....till I saw Mailman's dyno results. When you have a motor custom built by Passion and Jim has Gary build a special set of custom OOF Snipers for the motor, your not thinking that some off the shelf OOF pipes that were set up for a completely different size motor are going to outshine the Snipers.

 

But once again, we're left talking about OOF Snipers because the only members of the site who have the In-Frame Snipers are running them on stuff like Servals or small S.S. bikes and have no dyno numbers to show us.

If you actually read all the feedback on the In-Frame design pipes, so far the people who have positive things to say about them are all people who had a pretty low end or more basic pipe (Toomey's, FMF's, etc.) and have made a jump to a Sniper. One or two CPI guys made a switch, but they never mentioned if they had BB CPI's or SB.

Also, most of the Sniper In-Frame owners on this site are running a Passion motor anyway.

So we're back to my original statement. If your running a Passion motor, In-Frame Snipers might be the best pipe for your build........but none of them have posted any numbers yet. So keep hoping.

 

Were you going to wow us with YOUR In-Frame dyno numbers anytime soon? After all, with a screen name with 421 in it...your motor is the perfect size for the Snipers. Let's see YOUR 10 extra HP.

Edited September 5, 2012 by WINDYCITYJOHN400

[So Cal Suspension]

I would love for my Shearers to fit like the owners of Snipers say theirs fit. But they havent. Either way to me it sounds like the biggest compliment people are saying about In-Frame Snipers is the fit/finish and the sound. Maybe a little better pull too. 10HP on these motors is A LOT, I would think if these guys are were truly making the 10HP more as stated by --- that they would be posting threads with "HOLY SHIT THESE THINGS ROCK" as the title. I mean to bolt on a pipe and get 10HP would be huge. I just havent seen it yet. Oh well I guess any improvement is a good one, I hope these pipes make it, I dont like seeing small businesses make something and market it and not be to peoples expectations. Only time will tell.

Overall, Steve, I think your assessment is accurate. But, being totally transparent is what this thread needs to remain. SonOfSand did mention a fitment issue with his pods, which I believe was a major gripe the people who hated shearers used as ammunition.

 

1- Fit, Finish and overall quality. I am VERY pleased with the snipers in these categories. The snipers go on and come off very easily, I did have a problem with my pods rubbing the stingers... but the problem was with my setup, Jim and Gary were very helpful in resolving the issue.

 

I'm not sure how the problem could be with his "setup" when he obviously didn't have those fitment issues with his CPI's. Maybe it just wasn't the right chemistry of parts for snipers.

[SonOfSand]

Overall, Steve, I think your assessment is accurate. But, being totally transparent is what this thread needs to remain. SonOfSand did mention a fitment issue with his pods, which I believe was a major gripe the people who hated shearers used as ammunition.

 

 

 

I'm not sure how the problem could be with his "setup" when he obviously didn't have those fitment issues with his CPI's. Maybe it just wasn't the right chemistry of parts for snipers.

 

 

I did have the fitment issues with my CPIs, however, I expected the Snipers to resolve the issue (which is part of the reason I purchased them) based on other sniper owners not having any fitment problems. The snipers did allow me to mount my right pod so it does not contact at all, which is something the CPIs would not allow. The left pod does not receive as much burning now as well.

[So Cal Suspension]

I did have the fitment issues with my CPIs, however, I expected the Snipers to resolve the issue (which is part of the reason I purchased them) based on other sniper owners not having any fitment problems. The snipers did allow me to mount my right pod so it does not contact at all, which is something the CPIs would not allow. The left pod does not receive as much burning now as well.

Gotcha. I stand corrected. Is the left one still touching?

[dave5.0]

I was just tellin myself let it die, but we keep draggin it up. Oh well. I'm still surprised somebody like maybe Windy with his vast experience has made any comments about intakes and the role the play with pipe fitment. Has nobody with a set if cpis or shearers changed to a different style of intake and either had more room or less for their filters? I still wonder (because I dont have any other pipes layin around to mess with) I you use the correct combo of intake and pipe you could pretty well clear any filter u wanted? Am I wrong?

[okbeast]

If you use the correct combo of intake and pipe you could pretty well clear any filter u wanted? Am I wrong?

 

It blows my mind people are buying new pipes to clear carbs/filters instead of changing intakes/getting angled filters

[SonOfSand]

Gotcha. I stand corrected. Is the left one still touching?

 

 

Yes, the left pod still touches... but not as bad as the CPIs made them touch.

Edited September 5, 2012 by SonOfSand

[dave5.0]

It blows my mind people are buying new pipes to clear carbs/filters instead of changing intakes/getting angled filters

 

Not sure if that's the case. Not why i did it anyway. I spent my inheritance on em because I wanted something new, unique, and that supposedly made more hp. The clearance issue was an added bonus that was pretty cool. But just like SonofSand found out though, i didn't have the correct combo of stuff. I guess I should correct that, had correct filters. Didn't have correct intakes. So mine rubbed all over just like my old shearers and vitos did. Changed intake and problem went away.

Edited September 5, 2012 by dave5.0

[So Cal Suspension]

Not sure if that's the case. Not why i did it anyway. I spent my inheritance on em because I wanted something new, unique, and that supposedly made more hp. The clearance issue was an added bonus that was pretty cool. But just like SonofSand found out I didn't have the correct combo of stuff. I guess I should correct that, had correct filters. Didn't have correct intakes. So mine rubbed all over just like my old shearers and vitos did. Changed intake and problem went away.

So in addition to purchasing pipes, you had to purchase new intakes to make them fit?

 

I wonder if just purchasing new intakes from the get-go would have made your shearers fit fine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Could this be a revelation?

[dave5.0]

So in addition to purchasing pipes, you had to purchase new intakes to make them fit?

 

I wonder if just purchasing new intakes from the get-go would have made your shearers fit fine.

 

 

 

 

 

Could this be a revelation?

 

 

 

I think I actually said that about six months ago but you must by have been payin attention. But I didn't have to buy mine I swapped em out with somebody. But that's the point I was trying to make. Thanks for spelling it out. But like I said pretty sure most of us didn't buy these things JUST for the filter fitment. That was just supposed to be an added bonus.

Edited September 5, 2012 by dave5.0

[So Cal Suspension]

I think I actually said that about six months ago but you must by have been payin attention. But I didn't have to buy mine I swapped em out with somebody. But that's the point I was trying to make. Thanks for spelling it out. But like I said pretty sure most of us didn't buy these things JUST for the filter fitment. That was just supposed to be an added bonus.

Yeah, I was probably blabbing about cheese or something more relevant.

 

So if they don't make more power, don't fit better, hopefully they at least sound better.