mopar1rules Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Well guys, I was assembly my 4 mill motor the other day and was getting frustrated with a stubborn new circlip that wouldn't go into the brand new 795 series Wiseco piston. So, I started looking at the piston and wristpin more closely and noticed the wristpin was .040" (1mm) too long, so the end of the wristpin was covering up the circlip groove partially. So lucky for me I have a lathe and faced .023" off of each side and now the pin fits correctly, along with the circlips installing right. And go figure, the wristpin wrapper said "Made in Taiwan" on it. I hate the China and Taiwan junk parts out there. And that's what the overpriced/over rated Wiseco pistons come with. So for anybody assembly a motor with wiseco pistons, check the wristpin length before torqueing down the cylinders, cause you will have a clirclip fall out and take out the cylinder/piston. The proper length should be 2.130" or 54.1mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheerider11 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Awesome to know, but why didn't you call wiseco and ask them what the fuck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike0chek Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 shit that sucks man, but be prepared for all the "know it all crew" to come in here and say its the builders fault and not the manufacturer's LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike0chek Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) o and what kind of crank/rods did you go with for your build? my cyls just got done getting repaired from a 29L/R failure and i need to decide my crank/rod combo.... Edited June 26, 2012 by mike0chek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopar1rules Posted June 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Ummmmm, Wiseco I'm sure provided them with the proper print and dimesions. Its just that Taiwan couldn't read the print right with them shitty ass slits they call eyes. Not to mention it means the quality control is piss poor. Mikeocheck, I decided to go with a Vitos 4 mill crank. It wasn't as great as what the hype was. My keyway for the waterpump gear was off a little, so I had to sand the key to make it fit. Also, the flywheel keyway is pretty sloppy and the key needed to be glued in place, just so the flywheel would go on and not pop the key out of the keyseat. I just hope and pray the rods stay together. Where did you send your cub cylinders for repair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopar1rules Posted June 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Sheerider, it don't pay to call Wiseco. All I'm gonna get is a woman who is gonna say "well that's the part number my computer shows is right". Just like when you go to your local Auto Zone or whatever and you get some dumb box that gives you the wrong parts, or asks if your car has air conditioning while you're trying to get brake parts. I figured I knew what needed to be done to the wristpins to make them work, so I just went ahead and did it. I guess I just wanted to give a heads up to all using Wiseco pistons. Pay attention to the wristpin length. Also, goes to show that its hard to find good replacement parts that aren't messed up. Same with auto parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike0chek Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Ummmmm, Wiseco I'm sure provided them with the proper print and dimesions. Its just that Taiwan couldn't read the print right with them shitty ass slits they call eyes. Not to mention it means the quality control is piss poor. Mikeocheck, I decided to go with a Vitos 4 mill crank. It wasn't as great as what the hype was. My keyway for the waterpump gear was off a little, so I had to sand the key to make it fit. Also, the flywheel keyway is pretty sloppy and the key needed to be glued in place, just so the flywheel would go on and not pop the key out of the keyseat. I just hope and pray the rods stay together. Where did you send your cub cylinders for repair? i sent it to HJR and kevin sent it to millenium, he got it back yesterday and said it was the nicest repair job he's seen considering the damage that was done. it cost me 400 buck tho! and that was almost 200 bucks cheaper than if i sent it straight to millenium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanYE west Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Ummmmm, Wiseco I'm sure provided them with the proper print and dimesions. Its just that Taiwan couldn't read the print right with them shitty ass slits they call eyes. Not to mention it means the quality control is piss poor. Mikeocheck, I decided to go with a Vitos 4 mill crank. It wasn't as great as what the hype was. My keyway for the waterpump gear was off a little, so I had to sand the key to make it fit. Also, the flywheel keyway is pretty sloppy and the key needed to be glued in place, just so the flywheel would go on and not pop the key out of the keyseat. I just hope and pray the rods stay together. Where did you send your cub cylinders for repair? I'm no fan of wiseco either.. I only use them in my big motor because i'm forced too.. Actually.. it probably was wiseco's fault since they get them in bulk.. Its their job to check the parts before packaging. Also.. wiseco is very helpful on the phone and would have sent you a new pin. find it funny you bought another wang crank after all your rants about taiwan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko2000 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 "Shitty ass slits they call eyes" Lmfaooooooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopar1rules Posted June 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Fouledout, I guess good to know that wiseco is actually helpful on the phone. It was easy enough for me to face the needed amount off and then its fixed sooner too, versus waiting for 2 new pins from Wiseco. Yeah, I was never a fan of Wiseco pistons myself. I prefer the more durable cast pistons. Also, I heard no bad things about the 4mill Vitos crank, so I felt the most comfortable buying that crank versus a wang crank or hot rods or wiseco. I guess I can't and shouldn't knock all of Taiwan products, as I have used SPI con rod kits and SPI pistons before in sled applications with ZERO issues. I do have to say there is shit Taiwan and good Taiwan. Just like USA......good stuff and bad stuff. Craftsman bad......Snap-on good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1JUANstunna Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 I've broken as much Snap=on, mac, matco and s&k tools as I have Craftsman. The shit all probably comes from the same factory just out a different door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopar1rules Posted June 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 I've split a number of craftsman sockets and SK sockets. And a bunch of craftsman ratchets. I've never broke a snap-on or matco socket before. There is a difference. At any rate it was just an example, but carry on...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroking Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Fouledout, I guess good to know that wiseco is actually helpful on the phone. It was easy enough for me to face the needed amount off and then its fixed sooner too, versus waiting for 2 new pins from Wiseco. Yeah, I was never a fan of Wiseco pistons myself. I prefer the more durable cast pistons. Also, I heard no bad things about the 4mill Vitos crank, so I felt the most comfortable buying that crank versus a wang crank or hot rods or wiseco. I guess I can't and shouldn't knock all of Taiwan products, as I have used SPI con rod kits and SPI pistons before in sled applications with ZERO issues. I do have to say there is shit Taiwan and good Taiwan. Just like USA......good stuff and bad stuff. Craftsman bad......Snap-on good. if you got the vito 4 mil with the chrome rods...you got a good one !! i have seen a crank like that have the piston hit the head and it ripped the cylinder away from the cases,and only put a slight bend in the rod there STRONG !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheerider11 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 1. I love my vitos crank 2. Craftsman is garbage. You get the littlest bit of dirt in the head and its fucked. I've never broken a snap on wrench, the craftsman explodes if I drop it to far. Like zilla says craftsman has the convenience of being in Sears. But it's not convenient having to go there 2 times a week. But the vitos cranks are sweet. I called them to all about tolerances and the guy that picked up actually knew what the fuck I was talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanYE west Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 blue-point ratchet wrenches are amazing.. bought off snap on truck.. made in taiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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