johnny87banshee Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 hi i just bought an original 1987 banshee , before i bought it the guy told me that the clutch lever adjustement on the handlebars fell off so he was riding it without the clutch , when i got home , i put an clutch lever adjustement in and seen that the cable was like too long but i realized there was sumthing wrong so i look at where the clutch cable goes on the casing of the bike and the lever wasnt adjusted properly , it was going in way too much . and then checked the oil and it was full of water so i drained the oil and put some new one in . i had to make a longer clutch perch adjuster so i taught maybe itt was going to work , start the bike , put it in first holdong the clutch and takes off clutch wasnt working at all , after i took the casing of the kick start out and on the clutch basket inside there an ajustement in the middle and the guy had put an extra nut so i said thats why the nut shoudnt suposed to be there so take the extra nut off and then put it back and ajust the clutch so its right on tha line it suposed to be put the casing back and tried it again the da*M clutch lever on the engine base bent when i pulled the clutch , what should i do? buy a whole new clutch I need some help please! johnny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcardracing Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Sounds as though your pushrod/ball have welded themselves inside your main shaft. You'll likely have to pull the engine and tear it down. Very rarely can a welded rod/ball be repaired without splitting the cases. You'll need a gasket set, seal kit, case sealant, clutch lockwasher, pushrod and ball. That's if there's nothing else wrong in there when you get it apart. I highly recommend a pancake bearing clutch disengagement adjuster (center of pressure plate), this will help prevent this problem from reoccuring. Also check the shift forks and gear dogs. If it has been shifted with no clutch for any length of time, I wouldn't be surprised if there's damage to some of the transmission components. -Brandon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny87banshee Posted June 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Sounds as though your pushrod/ball have welded themselves inside your main shaft. You'll likely have to pull the engine and tear it down. Very rarely can a welded rod/ball be repaired without splitting the cases. You'll need a gasket set, seal kit, case sealant, clutch lockwasher, pushrod and ball. That's if there's nothing else wrong in there when you get it apart. I highly recommend a pancake bearing clutch disengagement adjuster (center of pressure plate), this will help prevent this problem from reoccuring. Also check the shift forks and gear dogs. If it has been shifted with no clutch for any length of time, I wouldn't be surprised if there's damage to some of the transmission components. -Brandon you mean the push rod in the middle on the clutch with that little ball bearing in there is welded together? is that right? and i have to take it apart? the whole case? thanks johnny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastbanshee8 Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 The answer to all 4 of your questions is yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jereme6655 Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 ifou pull the clutch cover off and are able to get the ball and rod out with a magnet then they are not welded.....however they have a tendency to weld themselves together when people roll to stops (usually taking a LONG time of rolling or using shitty fluids) if they are stuck together you are going to need to split the cases and SOMETIMES you can manage to get the rod and ball out of the trans shaft by smacking it out......however sometimes you just have to buy a new trans shaft and swap the gears over and get a new rod and ball. To help prevent this from happening.....they make the mighty pancake bearing..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny87banshee Posted June 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 ifou pull the clutch cover off and are able to get the ball and rod out with a magnet then they are not welded.....however they have a tendency to weld themselves together when people roll to stops (usually taking a LONG time of rolling or using shitty fluids) if they are stuck together you are going to need to split the cases and SOMETIMES you can manage to get the rod and ball out of the trans shaft by smacking it out......however sometimes you just have to buy a new trans shaft and swap the gears over and get a new rod and ball. To help prevent this from happening.....they make the mighty pancake bearing..... so you guys telling me its the push rod and bearing that welded together for sure? or it could be somthing else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcalsv02 Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Drain your tranny fluid, take off your clutch cover, and try to put a magnet in the trans shaft and try to pull the rod and ball out. If it comes out, then it's probably something different. If you can't get it out, then that's a good starting point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny87banshee Posted June 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Drain your tranny fluid, take off your clutch cover, and try to put a magnet in the trans shaft and try to pull the rod and ball out. If it comes out, then it's probably something different. If you can't get it out, then that's a good starting point finally took it apart and ball is not welded to the push rod but i seen there no rubbers between the clutch friction plate , ive had a banshee last year and there was rubbers between is that my problem??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny87banshee Posted June 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 and also when i had it back together i started it and had it in gear to stall it but it didnt stall and was in 1 st gear and not mooving now it shift but it stay in neutral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahl87banshee Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 finally took it apart and ball is not welded to the push rod but i seen there no rubbers between the clutch friction plate , ive had a banshee last year and there was rubbers between is that my problem??? Rubbers? No. Post pics so we know what you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcalsv02 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Rubbers? No. Post pics so we know what you are talking about. I think he is referring to the rubber o rings that are in the clutch when it is stock from the factory. But yes, please post pics so we can gain some clarity and help you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwriter Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 and also when i had it back together i started it and had it in gear to stall it but it didnt stall and was in 1 st gear and not mooving now it shift but it stay in neutral I'll bet you didn't line up the pressure plate right. One of the arrows on the pressure plate needs to line up with the dimple on the inner hub. If you don't line it up right, the pressure plate won't clamp down on the fibers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny87banshee Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I'll bet you didn't line up the pressure plate right. One of the arrows on the pressure plate needs to line up with the dimple on the inner hub. If you don't line it up right, the pressure plate won't clamp down on the fibers. i broke a bolt in the inner hub , and the outer hub the middle is striped , now i need those parts , and that shaft that the clutch cable goes bent maybe that shaft is not working properly? can i take it out of there? you guys need a picture of what exacltly? cant wait to ride but cant find my problem, guess ill have to take engine out and open it, wish i didnt have to open it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwriter Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 i broke a bolt in the inner hub , and the outer hub the middle is striped , now i need those parts , and that shaft that the clutch cable goes bent maybe that shaft is not working properly? can i take it out of there? you guys need a picture of what exacltly? cant wait to ride but cant find my problem, guess ill have to take engine out and open it, wish i didnt have to open it. 1st you need a Clymer manual 2nd you need a torque wrench 3rd there is no such thing as an outer hub. There's an inner hub, clutch basket, and a pressure plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny87banshee Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 1st you need a Clymer manual 2nd you need a torque wrench 3rd there is no such thing as an outer hub. There's an inner hub, clutch basket, and a pressure plate. i dont have that manuel have a torque whrench 7ft pounds , and pressure plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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