SandmanPNW Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 First off I never claimed it was wonder drug"it is a drug so yes it should be treated as such" no different than alchohol is a drug.just read a study about how harmful marijuana smoke is ..seems it is shown to be less than tobacco smoke"another legal drug that will kill you"...another figure you arwe overlooking is the domestic violence situations that alchohol plays a big part in http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=15331989 And as I stated before it is legal in certain states for medical use.and should be legalised and treated the same as alchohol. More money is wasted in this country locking up people for smoking a natural product.when that money could be used to help this country get back on its feet. The most dangerouse thing about marijuana is the laws in this country. and as far as it being a gateway drug,that term could be put on anything. But you guys are set in your ways and nothing I say will change your outlook..but things are changing people are starting to realize that what we have been told by the government about the evil weed is total bs and we can get real coversation about the war on this drug instead of myths and government lies ... What aboot that reefer madness guy that smoked the pots and went mad and killed all those people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotta_goatsfast Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 You can get into trouble for driving under the influence of alcohol.... you can end up in jail for possessing mary-ju-wana.... so I chose to eat bath salts instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Jackson Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) Most of you should have a look at this before continuing your crusade Strawman seems to be one of the more popular choices for some of you Edited August 9, 2012 by Michael Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Jackson Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Saying that weed has never killed anyone is the same as alcohol has never actually killed anyone. People die from liver failure, stomach cancer and other things associated to drinking. Well actually the same happens with weed. As a gateway drug pot has been found in many OD patients, suicides and even cancer. Pot smoke is actually MORE harmful than tobacco smoke. Fact is there are more chenilles in a joint once it's lit than a cigarette. Pot also like alcohol also impares your judgement and ability to drive, it is a depressant and slows reaction time. Alcohol is deemed legal and used by more people than pot. This alone adds to more deaths per capita. While it is true that alcohol is so addictive that it can kill you from stopping the fact is, it is legal. So, if a cop shows up to your house and you have a joint in your tool box, stand by because you deserve what's coming to you. Same as if you are under age and have cigarettes or alcohol. Do a little more reading on your wonder drug, the effects on the body and how it relates to the subject. Mayoclinc online is a good source of factual medical information and I reference them in this posting. Adam Adam - get the fuck off the internet please. It's amazing that ignorance like this still exists in fucking 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanPNW Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Most of you should have a look at this before continuing your crusade Strawman seems to be one of the more popular choices for some of you Thats fucking cool. I also see a lot of texas sharp shooters rollin around here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticktock Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Adam - get the fuck off the internet please. It's amazing that ignorance like this still exists in fucking 2012. Still trying to figure out how facts are ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So Cal Suspension Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Adam, sorry bro, but I gotta rip this post apart. Saying that weed has never killed anyone is the same as alcohol has never actually killed anyone. "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which published the study, estimated that 34,833 people in 2001 died from cirrhosis of the liver, cancer and other diseases linked to drinking too much beer, wine and spirits. Another 40,933 died from car crashes and other mishaps caused by excessive alcohol use." Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/#.UCNRzaPwrxg "The economists analyzed traffic fatalities nationwide, including the 13 states that legalized medical marijuana between 1990 and 2009. In those states, they found evidence that alcohol consumption by 20- through 29-year-olds went down, resulting in fewer deaths on the road." Source: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-11-medical-marijuana-laws-traffic-deaths.html#jCp People die from liver failure, stomach cancer and other things associated to drinking. Well actually the same happens with weed. As a gateway drug pot has been found in many OD patients, suicides and even cancer. Pot smoke is actually MORE harmful than tobacco smoke. Fact is there are more chenilles in a joint once it's lit than a cigarette. "Marijuana has often been touted as one of the safest recreational substances available. This is perhaps true; many reputable scientific studies support the conclusion that cocaine, heroine, alcohol, and even cigarettes are more dangerous to the user�s health than marijuana. In addition, the celebrated pharmacological properties of cannabis have led thirty-six states to permit its use as a therapeutic drug for, among others, those suffering from AIDS; various painful, incurable and debilitating illnesses; the harmful side effects of cancer chemotherapy, and glaucoma." Source: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html "The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. The new findings 'were against our expectations,' said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years." Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html I highly suggest reading this short article above by the Washington Post. Side note: I was unable to find anythng about a "chenille". Maybe it was a typo, and you meant "chemicals". If that were the case, it is 100% untrue, and documented scientific evidence in the article above proves it as such. Not everyone knows this, but I am a medical marijuana patient. I have been for over two years. I gave up my career in law enforcement to relieve myself of unrelenting, excruciating pain. I was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis in 2009, and stage 3 colon cancer in 2010 at the age of 26. I was on heavy chemotherapy for 9 months and couldn't get rid of the cancer. I had surgery in August 2011 to remove my colon, rectum, appendix and gall bladder. I had an ileostomy for 3 months and another surgery in December of 2011 to reverse the ileostomy and hook my small intestine directly to my anus. There is NOTHING in this world that could relieve my pain the way MMJ did. To sit on the other side of the fence and tell me that I have to be in pain for the rest of my life, and can't eat a rice krispee treat to relieve my pain, is nothing short of pure and disgusting ignorance. If you haven't walked in my shoes, or an HIV patient's, or an MS patient's, or someone with LEGITIMATE chronic, unbearable pain, then get the fuck out of the conversation. Now, let me address the abusers. Without a doubt, there are abusers. There are abusers of everything. Gambling, sex, porn, cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco, and finally, Alcohol: The biggest, and most commonly abused drug in the worlds history). Because some dude in a suit somewhere is telling you it's illegal means it has no benefit to anyone? Find a person who consumes alcohol because it relieves the nausea of their chemotherapy. Show me a cancer patient who takes shots in their living room because the pain of HIV-AIDS is so unbearable that without their shots, they can't function. Show me an MS patient who, without their shots of whiskey, cannot even speak. Show me SOME SORT of medical study showing the medicinal benefits of alcohol. Not the chemicals in wine that may or may not prevent cancer. Show me ALCOHOL. If you can produce that, then show me an alcohol rice krispee treat that you can eat that relieves your unbearable pain in 3 minutes. Something prescription medication could NOT do. How about an alcohol pill? Or maybe an alcohol topical ointment that you can rub on your skin and absorb that way? The complete ignorance in this thread is frightening. It's frightening that the people voting on these issues have ZERO idea what they are talking about. The same people feeding you the bullshit about Marijuana are the same idiots that are legalizing it based on medical and scientific facts, evidence, and proof. Too bad the same can't be said about alcohol. But hey, the "man" says it legal, so it must be better for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nieskes Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 ^^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted August 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Adam, sorry bro, but I gotta rip this post apart. "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which published the study, estimated that 34,833 people in 2001 died from cirrhosis of the liver, cancer and other diseases linked to drinking too much beer, wine and spirits. Another 40,933 died from car crashes and other mishaps caused by excessive alcohol use." Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/#.UCNRzaPwrxg RESPECT "The economists analyzed traffic fatalities nationwide, including the 13 states that legalized medical marijuana between 1990 and 2009. In those states, they found evidence that alcohol consumption by 20- through 29-year-olds went down, resulting in fewer deaths on the road." Source: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-11-medical-marijuana-laws-traffic-deaths.html#jCp "Marijuana has often been touted as one of the safest recreational substances available. This is perhaps true; many reputable scientific studies support the conclusion that cocaine, heroine, alcohol, and even cigarettes are more dangerous to the user�s health than marijuana. In addition, the celebrated pharmacological properties of cannabis have led thirty-six states to permit its use as a therapeutic drug for, among others, those suffering from AIDS; various painful, incurable and debilitating illnesses; the harmful side effects of cancer chemotherapy, and glaucoma." Source: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html "The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. The new findings 'were against our expectations,' said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years." Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html I highly suggest reading this short article above by the Washington Post. Side note: I was unable to find anythng about a "chenille". Maybe it was a typo, and you meant "chemicals". If that were the case, it is 100% untrue, and documented scientific evidence in the article above proves it as such. Not everyone knows this, but I am a medical marijuana patient. I have been for over two years. I gave up my career in law enforcement to relieve myself of unrelenting, excruciating pain. I was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis in 2009, and stage 3 colon cancer in 2010 at the age of 26. I was on heavy chemotherapy for 9 months and couldn't get rid of the cancer. I had surgery in August 2011 to remove my colon, rectum, appendix and gall bladder. I had an ileostomy for 3 months and another surgery in December of 2011 to reverse the ileostomy and hook my small intestine directly to my anus. There is NOTHING in this world that could relieve my pain the way MMJ did. To sit on the other side of the fence and tell me that I have to be in pain for the rest of my life, and can't eat a rice krispee treat to relieve my pain, is nothing short of pure and disgusting ignorance. If you haven't walked in my shoes, or an HIV patient's, or an MS patient's, or someone with LEGITIMATE chronic, unbearable pain, then get the fuck out of the conversation. Now, let me address the abusers. Without a doubt, there are abusers. There are abusers of everything. Gambling, sex, porn, cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco, and finally, Alcohol: The biggest, and most commonly abused drug in the worlds history). Because some dude in a suit somewhere is telling you it's illegal means it has no benefit to anyone? Find a person who consumes alcohol because it relieves the nausea of their chemotherapy. Show me a cancer patient who takes shots in their living room because the pain of HIV-AIDS is so unbearable that without their shots, they can't function. Show me an MS patient who, without their shots of whiskey, cannot even speak. Show me SOME SORT of medical study showing the medicinal benefits of alcohol. Not the chemicals in wine that may or may not prevent cancer. Show me ALCOHOL. If you can produce that, then show me an alcohol rice krispee treat that you can eat that relieves your unbearable pain in 3 minutes. Something prescription medication could NOT do. How about an alcohol pill? Or maybe an alcohol topical ointment that you can rub on your skin and absorb that way? The complete ignorance in this thread is frightening. It's frightening that the people voting on these issues have ZERO idea what they are talking about. The same people feeding you the bullshit about Marijuana are the same idiots that are legalizing it based on medical and scientific facts, evidence, and proof. Too bad the same can't be said about alcohol. But hey, the "man" says it legal, so it must be better for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmdesertbansheeryder Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 thanks matt for the great post...I am also a medical marijuana patient.I use it for relief from crohns disease.the pharma garbage they give sucks and mmj is the only thing that really allows me to have an appetite. I just get tired of all the myths and shit uninformed people come up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckwheat Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Which is worse, weed or oxycontin? Weed or percoset? Weed or fill in the blank? IMO, weed should be either legalized or decriminalized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticktock Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Good point Matt. I didn't run away from the thread. Been working a lot and will get back to this tonight to post my sources. Listen, while medical marijuana has some benefits the fact is is it is abused. The guy in this thread posted he had a joint. Had he had a prescription then it would have been a different story. It is a drug, it's abused, and it has harmful effects on the body. Should it be legal, who cares. If they legalize it tax the living fuck out of it. A 1000% would help pay back all the debt because of the criminals. Let's legalize all drugs providing you give up insurance, Medicare, drivers license and the right to carry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad one ton Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 You can't tax it that much. I personally have never touched the stuff, but the people that really need it for medical purposes wouldnt be able to afford it. Some are cancer patients that can't even go to work. If you take away there insurance, first they wouldn't be able to afford the high cost therapy chemo and the radiation that's trying to treat them let alone they would be in agonizing pain because they can't afford this. That wouldn't be right. TON! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberneck Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Should it be legal, who cares. If they legalize it tax the living fuck out of it. A 1000% would help pay back all the debt because of the criminals. Let's legalize all drugs providing you give up insurance, Medicare, drivers license and the right to carry. Legalize it but give up your rights, I think you are the one that is high in this thread. Do you drink? And i mean at all, do you ever enjoy a beer?, If so by your logic you should be required to give up all those things as well. Alcohol by far causes more death and health problems in this country than marijuana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberneck Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 Which is worse, weed or oxycontin? Weed or percoset? Weed or fill in the blank? IMO, weed should be either legalized or decriminalized. Prescription drug abuse is an absolute epidemic in this country. People need to wake up and realize that it does not matter if a substance is "legal or illegal" People who want to get high will get high. Doesnt matter if its grandmas oxycontin, bath salts, crack, nail polish, sharpie markers or gasoline, people do all kinds of dumb shit with perfectly "legal" substances to alter themselves. Besides last time i checked abusing a "legal" prescription drug is illegal too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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