dirtydownunder Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 i dont like the whole "you cheaped out on a crank" i was never given the choice. if anything i was told these cranks are as good as or better than the hotrods. i dont cheap out on stuff. if i cheaped out on parts, then those parts came from your cheap sponsors. now i have to spend 680$ on a crank and rebuild kit and then more money, coz i may aswell port the cylinders as they will be off anyway. i dont care, whats done is done. i just has to open my wallet, due to misguided and false advertisement. i dont like being called cheap, i dont have much stuff, but the stuff i do have isnt "the cheap stuff" ( .Y. ) boobies !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopar1rules Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Who says we penny pinch? And we would love to have QUALITY parts available, but like I stated a long time ago, that there aren't much quality aftermarket parts available for the banshee. Like you even states yourself, that you had a billet crank fail on you, and you didnt penny pinch. But then again, that billet crank was made out if an inferior material, or it wouldn't have broke. And with all the same rod failures happening all over, how can you even say the customer has to take the blame?? It ain't his fault the parts were inferior from the start. Again, most of these banshee engines aren't pushed to their limits. There is still no reason we shouldn't be able to buy a rod that can withstand 80-100 hp all day long with hard running. Sleds have them. Dajoe, them are crank hp figures. Same as most banshees listed/posted hp figures. Fouledout, all sled manufacturers list hp figures from the crank. None measure from the track. The only ones are a select few drag racers and clutch component manufacturers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopar1rules Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Exactly dirtydownunder, I was told as well when I bought my 4mil 29L/R crank that it was as good as or better than the expensive billet cranks on the market. The only choice at that time was that crank, vitos (which i hadn't heard any reviews on yet), wiseco (which i knew were junk) and hotrods (which i knew had rod failures here and there). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanYE west Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 them are crank #'s... All of yamaha's stated number are based off crank dyno. Dajoe, them are crank hp figures. Same as most banshees listed/posted hp figures. Fouledout, all sled manufacturers list hp figures from the crank. None measure from the track. The only ones are a select few drag racers and clutch component manufacturers. Umm.. I know them were crank numbers.. Hence my comment. And NO ONE posts crank numbers for their banshee's.. hell.. my banshee probably is near 300hp at the crank! ok... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Exactly. My $1,200 billet crank broke and you didn't see me on here whining and crying like a little girl. I got it fixed and I moved on. Part of riding/racing. You sound like a and you're Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroking Posted June 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Edited June 26, 2012 by stroking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So Cal Suspension Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Hi guys, I'm new here. I just bought this crank, is it good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burt Reynolds Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Hi guys, I'm new here. I just bought this crank, is it good? Go for it,those are bad ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydownunder Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 yeh for sure matt, ive done some testing on those cranks, and when i hold it up to my crank template, its spot on. !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guns4children Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 yeh for sure matt, ive done some testing on those cranks, and when i hold it up to my crank template, its spot on. !!!! I think your template might be off. Looks like that crank would hit the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydownunder Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 its not. the info is out there if you wanna look at what templates ive used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassionRE Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 YES, you sound like a broken record.. Plus, you don't read well at all.. I NEVER said what was or wasn't the cause of the rods breaking. Frankly, I don't give a shit. I don't penny pinch when it comes to my builds like some of you clowns. These motors are destined for failure with the way we push them but we want them to last a million years with shitty parts? Makes sense. I am NOT sticking up for the cranks. I literally know nothing about them at all, other than there is a demand for them because people are too fucking cheap to buy something with more quality. I will, however, stick up for my sponsors. Placing all of the blame on the builder will ultimately KILL the aftermarket Banshee industry. At some point, the customer has to assume some responsibility too. The industry is far too small for these builders to assume full and total responsibility for these things. We're talking Banshees, not Chevy pickups. It is a very small niche market that just can't have the type of warranty setup like a big auto manufacturer. That's the bottom line. Anyway, keep on spinnin.. Great points Tyler,.....Im just glad I didn't buy into the "cheap stroker crank" bandwagon...Ive been warning customers for months about all these bargain cranks floating around. Just another good example of "guessing" going on in the Hi-perf Banshee world, this time at the manufacturers level among other sources. Ultimately the manufacturer is at fault...but it's driven by the diabolical save a buck at any cost philosopy of consumers., not to mention the "lets sell the bottom clear out of the market "retailers......I hope the level 1 distributors choke on em'. Everyone has already forgotten about the $650.00 we used to have to pay for Hot Rods 4mill long rod cranks of yesteryear. I sell them currently for $425.00 and they dont move that well on call in orders...I wonder why???...." I can get a pot metal connecting rod version cheaper"...thats why. I havn't bought or sold a single one of these Mickey Mouse cranks, I like my meat loaf a certain way too, why change up when what works actually exists.....why guess at it when the good stuff has already been proven and is available at a great price, especially on 4mills. Whats worse is that the "anything over 4 mill "crank options are big time limited. Good luck on a Twister...if you can afford to wait a lifetime to get it, do so...its by far the best crank available. I've seen at least 10 Crankworks cranks fly apart over the past two years due to incorrect manufacturer interference fit issues. The end result of this either bad design, or quality control , whichever it might be, is a crank that wont hold true long enough to even put a weld on it....so that option is a gamble as far as Im concerned,....I wont use them....ever. So, all you non "pro" builders can can relax, assembly and tuning isn't the issue... Where the 29L/R's are concerned, and others too I suspect, it's the "guessing" metalurgy of the " look how much money I saved" rods...period. Just dont write off the Tiawan guys quite yet...as a rule, their shit is top-knotch..period....has anyone verified these butter rods are even legitimately made in Taiwan?..I suspect China instead...Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 Sorry, Jim, I respectfully disagree regarding crankworks cranks. And maybe because I got a good one, but I got one for less than 300 off ebay used, put two new bearings on the outsides, and it lasted forever. I finally exploded the PTO bearing after 4 years of abuse and use...on a used crank to begin with. I've had two friends with billet twister cranks (10 mils) break off the flywheel end. Mopar1.... if you want a reliable, 100HP sled motor so badly in your bansheee, go put one in. You're talking about a motor that makes about 30 HP stock, trying to nearly quadruple that and keep it reliable all day long? Show me a motor, any motor, you quadruple and have it reliable all day long. Again, the builders and site sponsors didn't create the market, buyers did for these cheap cranks. If you "didn't have a choice" on what crank you bought...you're wrong as well. You always have a choice. Your choice is more education on what's out there and possibly another builder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lms1977 Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 I dont agree things should last forever but they should hold up for some time, I also dont believe in buying the cheapest thing out either... I bought a vitos 10mil crank at ECA he rewelds the pins and I put good bearings on the outside its been in there about a year now I probably averarge 5 gals of gas everytime I ride and ride every 2-3 weeks sometimes Ill go a few weeks in a row, so far had 1 problem had a air leak a few months ago on base gasket so while apart put new pistons in and crank seals.... to me this seems normal wear and tear?? I dont baby the thing I rev and over rev the shit out of it on hills so it is exspected to break at some point!!!!! although if it was a month old I would have been pissed I have one of these 29 l/r cranks with 4 hrs on it not even sure I want to put it in a trail bike now thou just seems like I would be asking for trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike0chek Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) i dont like the whole "you cheaped out on a crank" i was never given the choice. if anything i was told these cranks are as good as or better than the hotrods. i dont cheap out on stuff. if i cheaped out on parts, then those parts came from your cheap sponsors. now i have to spend 680$ on a crank and rebuild kit and then more money, coz i may aswell port the cylinders as they will be off anyway. i dont care, whats done is done. i just has to open my wallet, due to misguided and false advertisement. i dont like being called cheap, i dont have much stuff, but the stuff i do have isnt "the cheap stuff" ( .Y. ) boobies !!!! very true, this has turned into :crank failed= your a cheap ass, crank still good= your not stupid and your rich and bought the right crank. come on guys LOL Edited June 26, 2012 by mike0chek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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