Thack82 Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Do any of you Guys run Mattoon's Twin Billet Cases with the stock 102mm spread? I'm thinking about buying a set to go with my Show Polished Stock Stroke, Play Ported, 392cc Serval Cub. I'm wanting them for extra strength mainly. Last weekend we all went to DTOR and trail rode. There was one hill that was straight up that was full of rocks and roots that all the 4 Pokes were battling. I got about 15ft back and turned her loose, and I made it, I came back down and watched them struggle with it for about five more minutes and I decided to attempt it again. I did the same thing except this time my rear skid hit a big ass rock HARD and I broke the top Carrier Bolt on my swing arm and that threw my rear end out of whack and my chain came off. The Mod-Quad Billet Case Saver did its job and kept the chain from smacking the case but I had the motor wound up tight and it wrapped my chain around my front sprocket about one and a half times and it knocked a chunk out of the top of my Case. The part it knocked out is purely cosmetic, so I was able to get my tool kit out and get the chain back on to get me back to the truck where I have a assortment of Hardened T-304 Stainless Steel Bolts. That bolt and a few others on the Swing Arm were the only bolts I had left on the entire quad that I hadn't went ahead and replaced with Hardened T-304 Bolts and T-304 Nylon Lock Nuts and I also add Blue Permatex Loc-Tite to just for extra security to keep stuff like that from happening. I was able to to take my Cordless Dremel Tool and a Fine Grit Sanding Implement and round the hole up. It doesn't look bad I didn't even mention that part to the guys that were watching and they didn't notice. They just thought I broke a Bolt. Do you guys know of any other Company that make Billet Cylinders for the Banshee? $1,895.00 is the best deal I can get Mattoon to cut me and thats no gaskets, no bearings, nothing, just the billet cases! I've bought a lot of Performance Mods from them too and I was hoping they might show some compassion and cut me a deal. I wish I could get lucky and find someone parting out a Banshee with that Case Set Up or somebody that was selling theirs to go to a three or four cylinder billet case. anyway any input would be helpful and appreciated. Thanks, Thack82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overdose Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Thats a ton of coin to spend on cases personally I would just have your stock ones pollished. I wouldn't really think your gonna get any real benifit out of them for the money other than bling on your setup. As for billet cylinders a Twister is what you are looking for they are machined from one piece billet aluminum with iron sleeves pressed in. Just my opinion but I personally wouldn't spend the money on matton cases (which are BAD ASS) unless I was bulid something like a DM or DMX or Big Block Twister. BIllet cases just seem a bit overkill for what your talking about doing just my .02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camatv Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 instead of spending 1800+ on something you really dont need and your motor build dosent even require why not buy a round house swingarm and solve the problem you had.. matton cases are necessary for retarded big engines and huge builds that really need them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClayAiken Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Id just buy regular cases and ive seen someone sandblast and polish them i think it was NickisGod. Thats a alot of money to spend on cases Imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thack82 Posted March 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 They would look good with the rest of my Polished Parts But I really wasn't wanting them because they are polished, I wanted them for reliability. It wouldn't bother me if they had a brushed aluminum finish. My goal throughout this entire build has been reliability over everything else. I'm trying to build a bullet proof Banshee. This whole build Idea started about three years ago at a Halloween Party I had. I had a bunch of friends over that were all into the Kentucky Off Road Hare Scrambles and they all raced the new Four Strokes. We were in my garage looking at my cars ( Z06 Corvette, and My Camaro Z28) that I occasionally Drag Race and they started talking to me about getting into the the Hare Scrambles, well me on about my 13th beer and being out of the Sport Quad Scene since 2001 when I was a Teenager and rode a Yamaha Blaster with a DG Pipe/Silencer, Jet Kit, and Twin Air Dual Stage Air Filter popped off and said that I would build a Banshee and put all there Four Jokes to shame. I was remembering back when I had a Blaster that would beat Warriors and the Banshee was Pretty much King. Hell it was on the cover of just about every Dirt Wheels and ATV Action every month, every months issue they had some new quad going up against the Banshee aether the 400EX, the Raptor 660, or the DS-650 and from what I remembered the Banshee beat them all, and that was my dream quad. Anyway they laughed there ass off and told me that the Banshee was a Dinosaur that over heated, rode/handled like shit, it had junky suspension, and they really didn't even have that much power. They said the new 450's would run circles around them. In attempt to prove them wrong I went out and bought a 2004 Bone Stock Banshee and it didn't take long to find out that everything they said was true. But there not laughing anymore my Banshee will smoke there ass in the woods or in the 1, 2, 3, GO River Bottom Drag Races, I'll shoot the same hills they do, It doesn't Overheat, and it rides and handles just as good as any of the 450's out there (excluding the YFZ-450R) and just about all of them have Ported Heads, Hot/Web Cams and a few have aftermarket Cylinder Works Cylinders and Stroker Cranks. But it's been a long hard road getting it there. I wanted to get a set of the Billet Cases because so far I've tried to replace everything with the strongest parts available. It made me sick when I Chipped my case, every ride or race we go on my Banshee comes out of the trailer looking like a brand new bike. I wish I could find somebody parting out a motor with the Billet OE Size Cases or find someone wanting to sell theirs to upgrade to a three or four cylinder. The Chip in mine is just cosmetic so I'm going to take my time and pray I run up on a deal. Thanks for the comments, keep the input coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 They would look good with the rest of my Polished Parts But I really wasn't wanting them because they are polished, I wanted them for reliability. It wouldn't bother me if they had a brushed aluminum finish. My goal throughout this entire build has been reliability over everything else. I'm trying to build a bullet proof Banshee. The funny thing is the stock cases were not at fault for what happend. It is like hitting a tree in your car then thining you need a heavier built bumper to keep it from happening again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINDYCITYJOHN400 Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 The funny thing is the stock cases were not at fault for what happend. It is like hitting a tree in your car then thining you need a heavier built bumper to keep it from happening again. Well put. Yes Mattoon billet cases would be absolute overkill for what he needs...but hey, if he wants to drop serious coin on a part like that....feel free. Somebody has to keep the economy going. But I agree, for what you will spend on the billet cases, you could get new cases (that you don't need because 1/2 the banshees out there have that same classic "chain Whack' and are still running) and you still would have enough money left over to buy a nice round carrier swing arm that is stronger and lighter than the factory one, a bearing carrier and still have about $1000 to spend on anything your heart desires....like a 4-10 mill crank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2otoofast4u Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I have a BRAND NEW set of billet cases for a stock spread (102) twin. They are setup for a cub cyld, they have the window in the bottom. They are brand new from Mattoon. I bought them for a project and then ended up not building the motor. They have never had a crank in them or a cyld on top of them. They are just as you would recieve from Mattoon. 1500 shipped. This is for a brand new set of billet cases with the additional window in the bottom of them. Cant beat this deal. PM me if your intrested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedd1 Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 ...It made me sick when I Chipped my case... Wait till you sling a chain on them $2k cases... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwriter Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Wait till you sling a chain on them $2k cases... Just for curiosity sake, does the TM Designworks case saver work on the Mattoon cases? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thack82 Posted March 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 The funny thing is the stock cases were not at fault for what happend. It is like hitting a tree in your car then thining you need a heavier built bumper to keep it from happening again. The Billet Stator Cover I bought off eBay came with Stainless Steel Hard Ware and a Generic Case Saver. I thought it would be fine so I didn't upgrade it. The case save that came with the billet cover appeared to be made out of neoprene, It did keep the chain from hitting the important part of the case but it still allowed the chain to wrap around the front sprocket and it actually gave way and made contact with the case and put pressure on it causing it to break. I usually try to replace any parts that break with or ware with the best parts available. I'm currently looking for a couple of other used but still in good condition used parts. I'm hopeing to run up on a used Lonestar MX Standard Travel Frame and Sub Frame, a Lonestar or Ace Fabrication Aluminum Powder Coated OE Length Swing Arm with a Upgraded Carrier, a Elka Rear Pro Dual Shock Linkage, and a few other things................. Hold on just a minute and I'll see if I can find the Billet Aluminum Stator Cover Kit I bought and post it on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thack82 Posted March 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 The funny thing is the stock cases were not at fault for what happend. It is like hitting a tree in your car then thining you need a heavier built bumper to keep it from happening again. Okay This is not the exact Billet Stator Cover I'm running but I think this is the kit that replaced it: Its not like I wasn't running a Case Saver at all, I was running one that was a piece of junk obviously but I did have one. The point of this thread was to get input on the billet cases which obviously you think is a waste of money on my set up and get the word out to any BHQ guys that are going bigger or parting out a Banshee that had a set that I could pick up at a fair price. n2otoofast4u thats a good deal on those cases but there still out of my price range. I was hoping to find a used set for under $1,200. But I'll keep you in mind, let me see what kind of money I can come up with. WINDYCITYJOHN400 I really don't think I'll go with a Stroker set up even when I need to rebuild the bottom end. I built my set up for low end and I'm happy with it. I know Strokers generally rev faster and make more power throughout the entire RMP Range especially on the bottom end but I like small Displacement high revving Short Stoke Set ups. If I could have bought the Serval Top End in a 358cc Displacement like the Cheetah I probably would have went that rout. Thats just my personal preference. Anyways thank you guys for your input, the chip in my case is purely cosmetic at this point. I'm going to buy a better Case saver and and hope I run across a good deal that I can justify spending the money on. n2otoofast4u please let me know if you can get closer to my budget I would love to buy those cases. Thanks, Thack 82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I would start out with a better case saver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thack82 Posted March 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I would start out with a better case saver. Thats a nice Case Saver. Does everybody pretty much agree that T.M. Designworks is the best Case Saver made? I'm buying a new one today and trowing away that other white peace of shit that I've been using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach45 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Can I have some money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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