dcalsv02 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Here is a list of companies that are supporting the shutting down of the Oregon dunes...... http://67.199.65.66/cascade_innovations/newlook/store/store_view.cfm?store_area_id=3&store_dept_id=920 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticktock Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 I fine it hard to believe Patagonia is trying to rally to close riding areas. The only reference I found to them was they support legislation for registration of OHV on public lands, fines for breaking the law and holding citizens accountable for breaking the law. This is a company that depends on outdoor activities for revenue. Granted most riders are not wearing their clothing or equipment. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
06specialedition Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Damn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheesandrider Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 The companys on that list are all a bunch of God Damn Tree Huggers and none of them should get a dime from riders. They all believe that motor vehicles on the dunes or forests are ruining them. As is typical of these people, they think the land needs to be protected from everybody. They don't think about the people that can only enjoy the land with a motor vehicle to get them out there because of a handicap, etc. And yes, Patagonia does support the GDTH because they know that their customers are hikers and campers, and not riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticktock Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 The companys on that list are all a bunch of God Damn Tree Huggers and none of them should get a dime from riders. They all believe that motor vehicles on the dunes or forests are ruining them. As is typical of these people, they think the land needs to be protected from everybody. They don't think about the people that can only enjoy the land with a motor vehicle to get them out there because of a handicap, etc. And yes, Patagonia does support the GDTH because they know that their customers are hikers and campers, and not riders. You're an idiot. As I said in November 2011 patagonia is referenced is making a rider register their OHV. Fining fags for breaking the laws and making stiffer fines for repeat offenders. On no open spires article did they say we want public lands closed to OHV. So while you are speculating I am referencing sourced info. In 2001 parts of Imperial dunes were closed in Nevada because of these riders, you, us, me, doing whatever we want. General lawlessness. If riders can't handle themselves areas get closed. If you were a farmer and atvs ripped your fields, your crops would you let them ride there? But on the other hand would you care if there was one track on the side of your field where atvs rode and those riders opened and closed gates and didn't harass your livestock woul you ban all riders from your land? Adam Edit: I spoke about one company on that list. Not speaking for others as there is only 1 major company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheesandrider Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) You're an idiot. As I said in November 2011 patagonia is referenced is making a rider register their OHV. Fining fags for breaking the laws and making stiffer fines for repeat offenders. On no open spires article did they say we want public lands closed to OHV. So while you are speculating I am referencing sourced info. In 2001 parts of Imperial dunes were closed in Nevada because of these riders, you, us, me, doing whatever we want. General lawlessness. If riders can't handle themselves areas get closed. If you were a farmer and atvs ripped your fields, your crops would you let them ride there? But on the other hand would you care if there was one track on the side of your field where atvs rode and those riders opened and closed gates and didn't harass your livestock woul you ban all riders from your land? Adam Edit: I spoke about one company on that list. Not speaking for others as there is only 1 major company Thanks for the insult from somebody that does not know me. For your info, I am a farmer and no we don't let people ride in our fields unless it is an employee or family. I happen to ride the Oregon Dunes on a regular basis and see first hand what the tree huggers are doing. I am a responsible rider and obey all posted closures, even if I feel that they are unreasonable. I encourage the people I ride with to obey them also, and on more than 1 occasion I have told somebody to get out of the closed areas. I was also one of the first people to get Cascade silencers to meet the sound requirements of the Oregon Dunes. But, I do feel that anybody that is supporting the closure of the dune needs to be boycotted. And the companies on that list are known to be supporting the dunes closure. Petitions were circulated to stop thre dunes closures, but the Forest Service closed them anyway, without due process because the tree huggers threatened to sue them if they did not. Patagonia has been listed as contributing to the fund supporting the closure. Edited January 20, 2012 by bansheesandrider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheesandrider Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 You're an idiot. As I said in November 2011 patagonia is referenced is making a rider register their OHV. Fining fags for breaking the laws and making stiffer fines for repeat offenders. On no open spires article did they say we want public lands closed to OHV. So while you are speculating I am referencing sourced info. In 2001 parts of Imperial dunes were closed in Nevada because of these riders, you, us, me, doing whatever we want. General lawlessness. If riders can't handle themselves areas get closed. If you were a farmer and atvs ripped your fields, your crops would you let them ride there? But on the other hand would you care if there was one track on the side of your field where atvs rode and those riders opened and closed gates and didn't harass your livestock woul you ban all riders from your land? Adam Edit: I spoke about one company on that list. Not speaking for others as there is only 1 major company Oh, 1 more thing, my fields are private property used to make a living and are not public land that should be available to the public to be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticktock Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Oh, 1 more thing, my fields are private property used to make a living and are not public land that should be available to the public to be used. I'm kinda over this conversation. Obviously you truly did not understand what I said about Patagonia. They are not chanting "Close public lands to OHV," they are more like saying, Listen fuckers, Register your shit, ride where your allowed, or pay fines, furthermore if you continue to get fined, your fines will go up until your OHV is in regulation. People in general when in mass numbers are fucking stupid. So 1 guy that rides though your field is prolly going to make 1 track, and stick to it. on the other hand, if 50 people ride though your field, they are going to rip it to shit, and not give a fuck about it. Does that make any sense? We also owned a dairy farm for 20 + years. We allowed people to ride on the land as long as they followed the rules my father set. We hardly had problems. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheesandrider Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 I'm kinda over this conversation. Obviously you truly did not understand what I said about Patagonia. They are not chanting "Close public lands to OHV," they are more like saying, Listen fuckers, Register your shit, ride where your allowed, or pay fines, furthermore if you continue to get fined, your fines will go up until your OHV is in regulation. People in general when in mass numbers are fucking stupid. So 1 guy that rides though your field is prolly going to make 1 track, and stick to it. on the other hand, if 50 people ride though your field, they are going to rip it to shit, and not give a fuck about it. Does that make any sense? We also owned a dairy farm for 20 + years. We allowed people to ride on the land as long as they followed the rules my father set. We hardly had problems. Adam NO, you obviously DON"T understand. Patagonia is contributing money to a fund that is trying to absolutely close the dunes to ATVs and therefore should not be supported! That land has been open to ATVs for 30+ years, is not being used for anything else, the wildlife is fluorishing and most of the plants(beach grass) they are trying to protect is an invasive species anyway. You are right, they are not chanting"close the dunes", they are quietly donating money to the people that are and hoping that the people that ride the dunes don't find out about it. The company behind Camelback hydration systems is also guilty of doing this, they make large donations to the Sierra club. Ford Motor Company got in trouble for it also- when the Excursion came out, the greenys were complaining about another gas guzzler. So Ford donated to some green cause and it pissed off the logging and lumber industries. I know of more than 1 sawmill or logging operation that will no longer buy Ford for that reason. My point is you came off as no way a corporation would do that and my point is yes it happens all the time. As for people obeying the rules, I am 100% in agreement that the should, but you need to enforce it by punishing the rule breakers, not taking more land away from those that do obey them. That just put more outlaws in less area and causes more violations. Your dairy farm and my wheat farm have nothing to do with what is going on in the dunes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGottaPee Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I'm with ya on the patagonia, why would they want to restrict desert? i could understand if it were some exotic place with a bunch of animals on the brink of extinction. Da poo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheesandrider Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 I'm with ya on the patagonia, why would they want to restrict desert? i could understand if it were some exotic place with a bunch of animals on the brink of extinction. Da poo? You have obviously NEVER been to the Oregon Dunes. It is NOT desert, it is forests with trees, plants, and wildlife. There are open areas with big hills, etc. It is varied terrain and the best riding is mixed into the areas that have trees and bushes. Those are the areas that are on temporary closure and companies like Patagonia, and others on the list, are contributing to the groups that are trying to make it permanent. These enviromental groups go to these companies and say that they buy lots of products from the company and that the company should support their cuase, so the companies donate money to them without thinking about the other side of the coin. The list is valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Fuck ANY company that is openly and actively trying to get riding places shut down. I don't care whether they're doing it directly or indirectly. I can understand rules and regulations to protect wildlife, trees and plants, but trying to shut a place down completely is ridiculous. If these companies want to donate so much money, why not donate money for trash clean up days or wildlife awareness classes? That money would be better spent that way than lining the pockets of some organization that is so shortsighted they can't see their hand in front of their face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheesandrider Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 The bottom line is that these companies are on a valid list of companies that are SUPPORTING the closure of the dunes. Therefore, WE should not support them. Because this is the USA, you have the right to spend your money as you see fit. Just don't expect everybody to rush to help out when they come after your riding area if you are still buying Patagonia products!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticktock Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I buy Patagonia products because it is a company where their products are made in USA. Also marmot and artryx clothing too. Sue me it's the best shit on the market for hot desert climate and spending 6 months a year in shit hole desert countries you need good quality clothing to keep from getting too much sun. Iraq, Afghanistan horn of Africa, heading to Bahrain for a year. You so me another clothing company that makes quality products made in USA I'll switch for you! Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcalsv02 Posted January 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 I buy Patagonia products because it is a company where their products are made in USA. Also marmot and artryx clothing too. Sue me it's the best shit on the market for hot desert climate and spending 6 months a year in shit hole desert countries you need good quality clothing to keep from getting too much sun. Iraq, Afghanistan horn of Africa, heading to Bahrain for a year. You so me another clothing company that makes quality products made in USA I'll switch for you! Adam You should search for companies that make the products you are looking for, so you can quit supporting them. Im all for US made products, but not if they are supporting the clousure of the dunes (which is the only place my banshee goes). It doesnt make sense to me that some of these companies support the closure, when i bet a lot of their business are from the type of people that ride in the dunes....What im trying to say is, alot of us riders drink beer, so why would ninkasi be a part of this when they could potentially lose a lot of business. The same goes for Patagonia. Just a bunch of bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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