lms1977 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 so I have the problem of to much traction on the pa coal hills I started with a +4 swingarm and it was nuts so went with a +6 one and heavier spring for shock, and it still wheelies like a bitch??? seems as soon as I really get into 3rd gear on a big hill she wants to wheelie uncontrolably then when you let off to recover you have to shift into 2nd then loose too much speed. its a 10 mil serval and seems to run awesome, I run paddles there probably 1/2 to 2/3 tread areospeeds 20in 8 paddle some of the other guys are running dominator tires and dont seem to be wheelieing as bad as me?? I have a few thoughts I figured I would ask to get a few opinions on what I might need to do. I moved my foot pegs back 2 inchs this might be throwing my balance point off. I'm running stock gearing I have a 13 and 15 tooth I want to try next time I could do a +8 swingarm but would like to keep it short for trail riding those are the things I want to try any other suggestions would be helpful thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicklez Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 All I can say. +8!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRed350x Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 LOL add weights to the front of the frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donkeypuncher Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 Sit on the gas tank and kiss your bumper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jereme6655 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 almost like your trying to turn a hillshooter into a trail quad and back again.......its kinda hard to do. There aren't a whole lot of guys that will ride a 10mil with a +4 swinger.......most will run a +8 or more. Are you running paddles? if you are then maybe look into some with less blades on them. or sit closer to the bars and lean. or some weight on the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydownunder Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 what do the people you climb with, run ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lms1977 Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 what do the people you climb with, run ? 4mil cheethas 485cc with +6 swinger with dominator tires 2.5 in high paddle they really hook up 4mil trex +8 also domintor paddles 4mil cub +6 paddle masters 4mil cub +4 he seems to wheelie alot but just clutches it alot which I try to avoid cyclone paddles the offset v style when I rn the 20 inch sand stars I did not wheelie much but it spun alot with the +4 on it then I put better tires and +6 and now it wheelies to much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydownunder Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 ah ok, have you tried adding more air to the tyres ? to help spin ? if they are hooking too much ? what kinda pressures do you run on coal ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lms1977 Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 ah ok, have you tried adding more air to the tyres ? to help spin ? if they are hooking too much ? what kinda pressures do you run on coal ? yea with higher pressure they spin at the botton of the climb its a little hader packed, so you cant even get up to the softer stuff. let just a little air out then when I hit the softer stuff it wants to flip in a wheelie?? et I dont use a gauge to check, but the one guy said he had 4psi and mine are way softer than that I get a few videos up so you can see what I'm doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLOPOKE21 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 10mil+Paddles+6 over swinger=wheelie machine. Just my $.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandshred25 Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 turn your paddles around backwards,, less bite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lms1977 Posted November 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 I'm going to try to play with gearing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjc Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 get yourself a low pressure gage so you know what your running ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKheathen Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 i'm not sure what all pipes you can rum on the 10mill serval, but perhaps you should move to a more low-mid, or broad pipe choice. ridding trails and having a control issue, i would say that's just what you need, more torque back-up and control. it should pop up on it's own less, and allow you to get out, and back in it without loosing too much power. i would start with moving the pegs back up, though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jereme6655 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 4mil cheethas 485cc with +6 swinger with dominator tires 2.5 in high paddle they really hook up 4mil trex +8 also domintor paddles 4mil cub +6 paddle masters 4mil cub +4 he seems to wheelie alot but just clutches it alot which I try to avoid cyclone paddles the offset v style when I rn the 20 inch sand stars I did not wheelie much but it spun alot with the +4 on it then I put better tires and +6 and now it wheelies to much you kinda answered your own problem here......you need a bigger swinger. Your buddies are all running +4swingers OR bigger. Yet your trying to make it up the hill on a +4 or +6 swinger with a 10mil......your crazy. Dont get me wrong....i love power and i love having being able to crack the throttle and go......BUT....there is a point where to much power is a bad thing. Your not at too much power.......just too much power for your chassis setup. If you spend some more on a chassis setup i bet you could come up with one hell of a monster. I know it sucks....but maybe sell that +6 swinger and buy either a 8 or 10inch swinger........then if you wanna trail.....swap with your +4 swinger. Half the fun IS wrenching on these machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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