GrayRaptor734r Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Why not try a +3 stock 700 throttle body or a WK 54 maybe an old 52 with a 550+ injector(I dont know what the required flow would be with a 2 stroke), machine a manifold, rig an intake sensor in the intake tube, out smart a raptor ECU and put a PC5 on it? Is this a viable brainstorm? I think the craziest thing is out smarting the ECU but the PC5 allows for so much more fuel adjustment and without an intake sensor youd still have to adjust all the time for elevation and temp. A raptor fuel pump might actually fit in a banshee tank and if not there is still the pump from a 450r/x. Why make a TB when you can just buy one? A TB is a TB, flow performance will be in the intake manifold. Anyway I hope you get this done I think it would be cool, but there is a reason why 2 stroke ATVs sont have EFI......it's a kind of a pain in the ass to do; at least it seems that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted March 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 50 days? i have over 12 weeks to go. i just not finished winter quarter. Again, like I said, 50 days, 12 weeks or 63 years, you aren't making it happen. I'm pretty sure you said you'd have it done by May. Either way, I'm still going to be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toytech Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Again, like I said, 50 days, 12 weeks or 63 years, you aren't making it happen. I'm pretty sure you said you'd have it done by May. Either way, I'm still going to be right. I think you are just pushing him to get it done because you want one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanYE west Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I think you are just pushing him to get it done because you want one I'm sure thats not the case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87sheerips Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 UC. i just had winter finals this week, next week is spring break, the following week is 10 weeks of class. Damn so you miss any chance of a booby filled spring break? That aint right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmfisher71 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 WWWOOOOWWWW i just read 8 frekain pages of this thread.... all i have to say is this.... I work for Toyota building their P.O.S. forklifts our design engineers i am pretty sure are sponsored by Crayola ...... as for the peons like me that build the fork lifts have to decipher the mess of a drwaing they give me to build a special design part that took 10 pages of drawing to drill 4 holes in 2 1/2" steel plates... all i say is K.I.S.S. = KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID there is no freakin need to put a damn ecu on a quad ANY quad especially a banshee... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toytech Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I'm sure thats not the case... loco is a nice person, why else would he push him so hard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 6 weeks. L.U.L.Z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutwood 472 Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 those are just google pics Zilla.. you big BS'er RUNNING OUT OF TIME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blast off Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I dunno, a lot of people are giving him shit for doing this and im sure some are just joking but in my opinion I say, do your thing ZILLA, let the man experiment. If it works it works, if not oh well. But I hope it works for you, It is definitely a cool project and i would love not to have to jet again lol Keep up the good work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blast off Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 awhh shit look at that ZIllafreak got his first nutswinger guys!!! I wouldnt go as far as saying that, im just giving him props. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfrjag Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 i would like to see it have 2 throttle bodies... and work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted March 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Zilla EFI - Coming May 2037! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So Cal Suspension Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 In Zilla's case, the odds are stacked against him, which is why the nay-sayers have an inordinate amount of ammunition. It's a VERY difficult project for an individual to undertake on a limited budget. Even if he DOES get it to work, there will ALWAYS be something wrong with it, right? I think people are missing the point that this is for a college project, and not reinventing the wheel. I've donated to the project simply because I give someone credit for trying something. I couldn't care less whether it works or doesn't. It won't affect me personally whether it works or not, so I guess that's the reason I never felt the need to jump on one of the bandwagons. Do I personally think it's going to work? Eventually, yes, I do. Do I think it will make more power, and be more reliable than a carburetor setup? No, and no; but I'm also not going to fault the guy for doing something like this for a university project. I seem to think that there's a reason new 4 strokes coming out are going to fuel injection. It's probably not "just because". What the exact reasons are, I don't know. What I DO know, is that on EFI systems with a MAP sensor, and an IAT sensor, barometric pressure and air temperature are automatically detected and the fuel mixture is automatically adjusted to compensate once a baseline is set in the ECU/ECM. Thinking about it logically, I personally see the benefit of a system that automatically adjusts fuel mixture for the appropriate barometric pressure and temperature. You start out at the bottom of a mountain, and ride for 2-3 hours up a trail, climbing 3500-4500 feet. You're not going to stop in the middle of your ride and re-jet, are you? Then stop and re-jet on your way back down the mountain? Seems to me like in a situation such as this, a system that automatically compensates is the best answer. I don't believe a system could be manufactured cost effectively for EVERYONE to be able to buy it, but, if your riding area is a mountain and you have issues with jetting, what else can you do that is automatic that you don't have to constantly think about? Or what about the guys who live/ride in the area mountains in California, Arizona, and Nevada that may ride 50% of the time in their mountain community, but want to jump in the truck one weekend and head to glamis? Gotta re-jet. With an EFI system it would automatically adjust to temperature and elevation. Why anyone would be AGAINST something like this, is bewildering to me. Other than the fact that zilla is kind of a homo and it's easier to play the odds and shit on someone than give them credit for taking it upon themselves to try something that one of us wouldn't undertake ourselves. All (or, mostly all) of us drive fuel injected cars. I wonder why that is? Because, I mean, carburetors work, right? and worked great? Maybe EFI is on cars for emissions purposes... perhaps, but are our heads so far up our asses that we aren't willing to admit that one day emissions regulations WILL trickle down to ATV's? I mean, fuck, they're requiring lawnmowers to pass certain emissions standards. It's going to happen sooner or later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blast off Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 In Zilla's case, the odds are stacked against him, which is why the nay-sayers have an inordinate amount of ammunition. It's a VERY difficult project for an individual to undertake on a limited budget. Even if he DOES get it to work, there will ALWAYS be something wrong with it, right? I think people are missing the point that this is for a college project, and not reinventing the wheel. I've donated to the project simply because I give someone credit for trying something. I couldn't care less whether it works or doesn't. It won't affect me personally whether it works or not, so I guess that's the reason I never felt the need to jump on one of the bandwagons. Do I personally think it's going to work? Eventually, yes, I do. Do I think it will make more power, and be more reliable than a carburetor setup? No, and no; but I'm also not going to fault the guy for doing something like this for a university project. I seem to think that there's a reason new 4 strokes coming out are going to fuel injection. It's probably not "just because". What the exact reasons are, I don't know. What I DO know, is that on EFI systems with a MAP sensor, and an IAT sensor, barometric pressure and air temperature are automatically detected and the fuel mixture is automatically adjusted to compensate once a baseline is set in the ECU/ECM. Thinking about it logically, I personally see the benefit of a system that automatically adjusts fuel mixture for the appropriate barometric pressure and temperature. You start out at the bottom of a mountain, and ride for 2-3 hours up a trail, climbing 3500-4500 feet. You're not going to stop in the middle of your ride and re-jet, are you? Then stop and re-jet on your way back down the mountain? Seems to me like in a situation such as this, a system that automatically compensates is the best answer. I don't believe a system could be manufactured cost effectively for EVERYONE to be able to buy it, but, if your riding area is a mountain and you have issues with jetting, what else can you do that is automatic that you don't have to constantly think about? Or what about the guys who live/ride in the area mountains in California, Arizona, and Nevada that may ride 50% of the time in their mountain community, but want to jump in the truck one weekend and head to glamis? Gotta re-jet. With an EFI system it would automatically adjust to temperature and elevation. Why anyone would be AGAINST something like this, is bewildering to me. Other than the fact that zilla is kind of a homo and it's easier to play the odds and shit on someone than give them credit for taking it upon themselves to try something that one of us wouldn't undertake ourselves. All (or, mostly all) of us drive fuel injected cars. I wonder why that is? Because, I mean, carburetors work, right? and worked great? Maybe EFI is on cars for emissions purposes... perhaps, but are our heads so far up our asses that we aren't willing to admit that one day emissions regulations WILL trickle down to ATV's? I mean, fuck, they're requiring lawnmowers to pass certain emissions standards. It's going to happen sooner or later. Thank you Matt, thats what I was getting at but I just diddnt want to write that much hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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