locogato11283 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Does anyone know what ball joints Tim uses for his arms and the ones he sells as a replacement? I'm wanting to get some to have on hand and with Tim out of the office I need to figure out what they are and where I can get some. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYUK Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 i dunno about tims, but the ones i swap out heims in aftermarket a arms for are a MOOG- ES2074R. LOW cost at any auto part store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastydeuce Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Thanks for that info NYUK. I've read In threads on here, that ball joints are better than hiems to run if it gets real wet and/or muddy. It would be worth having a set in the truck to be able make a change to suit conditions. One question, would ball joints also be better in sand ( because they're sealed ) than hiems? I've never ridden sand but I'm trying to make it to LS in October and try to make my Shee to where it will be as fun and trouble free as possible. Hope this wasn't too far off topic.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastydeuce Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 (edited) I found this while digging around, http://www.blasterforum.com/custom-fabbing-132/custom-balljoint-fix-stock-arms-39469/ 5th post down as well as the 9th post the guy said Tim at Stellar helped him out and that Stellar uses Ricky Stator ball joints with a Yamaha taper. Maybe you could get them there? The thread is only a couple months old, so I'd think it'd still be relevant. Hope that helps, Lonny Edited September 11, 2011 by Beastydeuce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted September 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 i dunno about tims, but the ones i swap out heims in aftermarket a arms for are a MOOG- ES2074R. LOW cost at any auto part store. Cool. I'll check and see if those will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpeter0420 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Are the hiems really that bad? Should I switch to balls joints? Ive had my full flights For over a year with no problems, I ride some trails that are rough on a 4x4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted September 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Are the hiems really that bad? Should I switch to balls joints? Ive had my full flights For over a year with no problems, I ride some trails that are rough on a 4x4 I never liked my heims. Plus they squeaked and it really annoyed me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 I never liked my heims. Plus they squeaked and it really annoyed me. Yep. Along with creeking and poping. I guess it depends on what heims you have. I had a set of ASR a arms and they squeeked and poped after the first ride. I ended up selling them to a friend and bought a set of I Shock or HD USA a arms. I still have ASR's x pro tie rods. Which ever they are. They are honda style where the tie rod threads in to the joint. The hiems dont squeek on them so they are good for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastydeuce Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Do the high dollar Teflon coated ones squeak and pop just like the non-Teflon? Also does anyone know a tie rod end replacement that easily available like the ball joints NYUK listed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So Cal Suspension Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Do the high dollar Teflon coated ones squeak and pop just like the non-Teflon? Also does anyone know a tie rod end replacement that easily available like the ball joints NYUK listed? NO.... LOL The heim vs balljoint argument has been going on for years. Heims are hands down, MUCH stronger than balljoints. The problem is, builders use the pile of shit metal on metal heims. I forgot where the thread went, but I spelled out all the differences in heims. Personally, I would never run balljoints. Especially automotive tie rod ends... I also, would never run metal on metal heims. I don't understand why builders continue to put those piles of shit on a-arms, other than the fact that they are cheap. In every race vehicle that I have ever built, we ONLY use teflon FK heims. Racers would vomit at the idea of using balljoints... Anything metal on metal is going to squeak. The only thing we use those metal on metal heims for, is for spare tire racks, or lightbars... NEVER anything structural. Invest in the teflon, chromoly heims, then you will never have to worry about them for the rest of your life. FK also sells boots for the heims, similar to balljoint boots. In my opinion, with those boots on the market, there is no reason whatsoever to ever run balljoints. One day the ATV industry will come up to par with the rest of the off-road world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 NO.... LOL The heim vs balljoint argument has been going on for years. Heims are hands down, MUCH stronger than balljoints. The problem is, builders use the pile of shit metal on metal heims. I forgot where the thread went, but I spelled out all the differences in heims. Personally, I would never run balljoints. Especially automotive tie rod ends... I also, would never run metal on metal heims. I don't understand why builders continue to put those piles of shit on a-arms, other than the fact that they are cheap. In every race vehicle that I have ever built, we ONLY use teflon FK heims. Racers would vomit at the idea of using balljoints... Anything metal on metal is going to squeak. The only thing we use those metal on metal heims for, is for spare tire racks, or lightbars... NEVER anything structural. Invest in the teflon, chromoly heims, then you will never have to worry about them for the rest of your life. FK also sells boots for the heims, similar to balljoint boots. In my opinion, with those boots on the market, there is no reason whatsoever to ever run balljoints. One day the ATV industry will come up to par with the rest of the off-road world. I agree. Most of the cheap ebay company a arm manufacutres use junk hiems. My hiem tie rods I believe are teflon or kevlar lined. You can see where it looks like a plastic has been injected inside the hiem. The ASR A arm hiems also looked to be the same. But like any thing there probably is junk teflon or kevlar lined hiems, and good quallity lined hiems. You cant expect a 3-400 dollar a arms to come with expensive high quality hiems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Also does anyone know a tie rod end replacement that easily available like the ball joints NYUK listed? No but you can buy one set of these. Now you just need to keep an extra steering stem and pitman arm on hand. http://www.americanstarracing.com/X-SeriesTieRods.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So Cal Suspension Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 I agree. Most of the cheap ebay company a arm manufacutres use junk hiems. My hiem tie rods I believe are teflon or kevlar lined. You can see where it looks like a plastic has been injected inside the hiem. The ASR A arm hiems also looked to be the same. But like any thing there probably is junk teflon or kevlar lined hiems, and good quallity lined hiems. You cant expect a 3-400 dollar a arms to come with expensive high quality hiems. The ones that look like they have a plastic in there, are most likely the nylon lined ones. Still good heims, but like you said, it all depends on the brand. The ONLY heims I will use are FK Rod Ends. There are chinese manufacturers for everything. The Teflon heims are actually lined inside with a teflon fabric. It's not a coating on the metal itself, but a fabric liner. These are FK's heim boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRed350x Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Matt, I couldn't agree more. I have always run heims and never had a problem at all, but I swap out to good ones any time I have aftermarket A-Arms. I just re-did all the heims on my sand rail and put in the good ones. It was pretty expensive, but well worth it. Ball joints are junk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastydeuce Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 (edited) Thanks for the info, I had never seen the boots before. I new the more expensive Teflon lined hiems that I had used on car and truck rear ladder bars/ 4 links didn't make noise, but didn't know if it affected quads the same because of the drastic wieght / load difference. You could hear a car roll through the pits at the drag strip and tell he used th cheap ones from the squeaking at every little bump. My uncle has a Pro-Street 52 Chevy that I finally convinced to switch over to Teflon, because it was ridiculous driving down the street. Thank you for the clarification. Matt I will pm you soon about maybe talking to you on the phone so you could tell me the cost and what I need you to do to all 3 off my shocks. I weigh 215- 220 and hope you have springs better suited to me. Sorry about that last sentence being slightly off topic, but I just pitched it in real quick while I was replying about the hiems. Again, thank you guys for the knowledge, Lonny Edited September 12, 2011 by Beastydeuce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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