sandshred25 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 i have a "genuine YAMAHA manual" Banshee 350 1987-2001..... i read all the time about the "clymar" book,, does this book have anything my book doesnt?? i just never hear any of you guys talk anout the service manual i have.. shred or die.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanYE west Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 i have a "genuine YAMAHA manual" Banshee 350 1987-2001..... i read all the time about the "clymar" book,, does this book have anything my book doesnt?? i just never hear any of you guys talk anout the service manual i have.. shred or die.. its the same thing pretty much.. just not as easy to get for most people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblockbanshee Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Guess I'm a little different but IMHO the Yamaha manual is only good for one thing, the heat you get off of it when you burn the worthless POS. Get a Clymer if you wanna be able to see any pictures. The only thing I use my Yamaha manual for is the torque specs being in 2 different places in the back of the book, one for engine specs, one for chassis specs. Other than that it's absolutely useless, worthless, trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheesandrider Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Guess I'm a little different but IMHO the Yamaha manual is only good for one thing, the heat you get off of it when you burn the worthless POS. Get a Clymer if you wanna be able to see any pictures. The only thing I use my Yamaha manual for is the torque specs being in 2 different places in the back of the book, one for engine specs, one for chassis specs. Other than that it's absolutely useless, worthless, trash. Bullshit, if you know how to use a manual the factory one can't be beat. The only thing wrong with the factory manual is the price. It has drawings that show the routing of EVERY hose, cable and wire on the bike. It has excellent wiring diagrams. It gives you all the proper steps to trouble shoot the electrical system and has all the values for the stator, coil and every other component. If you have a factory manual, I would spend some time reading it and familarizing yourself with the layout. I have factory service manuals from Ford, GM, Chrysler, Yamaha, Honda, Caterpiller, Hyster, Detroit Diesel, Allison, Cummins, John Deere, Case IH,Bobcat and more that I don't remember and the Yamaha manual is a great one, Honda manuals are the ones that suck. Keep your Yamaha manual and don't worry about the Clymers. Everybody on here likes the Clymers because it costs half of what the factory one costs, but in my opinion you get what you pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanYE west Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Bullshit, if you know how to use a manual the factory one can't be beat. The only thing wrong with the factory manual is the price. It has drawings that show the routing of EVERY hose, cable and wire on the bike. It has excellent wiring diagrams. It gives you all the proper steps to trouble shoot the electrical system and has all the values for the stator, coil and every other component. If you have a factory manual, I would spend some time reading it and familarizing yourself with the layout. I have factory service manuals from Ford, GM, Chrysler, Yamaha, Honda, Caterpiller, Hyster, Detroit Diesel, Allison, Cummins, John Deere, Case IH,Bobcat and more that I don't remember and the Yamaha manual is a great one, Honda manuals are the ones that suck. Keep your Yamaha manual and don't worry about the Clymers. Everybody on here likes the Clymers because it costs half of what the factory one costs, but in my opinion you get what you pay for. I agree.. the factory manual is more complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firemann32 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) All I use are Yamaha service manuals for my R1, R6, Sled, Raptor, Banshee and my watercraft before I sold them. Edited August 4, 2011 by Firemann32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblockbanshee Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Bullshit, if you know how to use a manual the factory one can't be beat. The only thing wrong with the factory manual is the price. It has drawings that show the routing of EVERY hose, cable and wire on the bike. It has excellent wiring diagrams. It gives you all the proper steps to trouble shoot the electrical system and has all the values for the stator, coil and every other component. If you have a factory manual, I would spend some time reading it and familarizing yourself with the layout. I have factory service manuals from Ford, GM, Chrysler, Yamaha, Honda, Caterpiller, Hyster, Detroit Diesel, Allison, Cummins, John Deere, Case IH,Bobcat and more that I don't remember and the Yamaha manual is a great one, Honda manuals are the ones that suck. Keep your Yamaha manual and don't worry about the Clymers. Everybody on here likes the Clymers because it costs half of what the factory one costs, but in my opinion you get what you pay for. If you know how to use a manual? That's pretty phucked up when this has nothing at all to do with knowing how to use the manual. It's pretty self explanatory if you've got half of a brain. The argument I was making was the pictures, not the diagrams or schematics, not even the text like you seem to be implying here. The pictures are dark and unable to be deciphered where the ones in the Clymer are very clear and small details are clearly noticeable. Here, have a look at what I'm talking about... Yamaha Service Manual- Honestly, can anyone see what is in these pictures? Every picture in the manual is like this. Clymer- Much better than above and they are all this clear. No matter how much you "doctored" those first two pictures there's no way they could be understood, especially to someone that relies on a service manual in the first place. Those of us that have been through a Banshee a time or two no longer need the manuals and it becomes second nature. The text in the manuals is similar but the Clymer speaks on more of an understandable level where the Yamaha manual speaks in a manner that requires you to know halfway what's going on in the first place. For what I paid for my Yamaha manual it should've came with a complimentary service technician to tell me what I'm looking at and official Yamaha letterhead to voice my complaints to corporate about the situation. About the only part of your post I agree with is the part about the price, they couldn't pay me to have another one. As for Firemann32's post, I have the service manual for my '07 R1 as well and it's much better than the one I have for the Banshee. I guess someone finally realized something was wrong with the manuals and fixed them by the time the latter ones came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camatv Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 wow that factory manual looks like crap!! thats weird.. i have used factory manuals a lot on the 4 strokes ( 700 rappy, yfz 450, and honda 450 and suzuki 400 and kawasaki 700) they are kinda difficult to understand if your not used to them they have excellent parts diagrams and show exactilly where and what kind of locker, lube, and tq on any given bolt nut or hardware. the electrical diag section is very nice. i do prefer my haynes for the banshee. i have never had a factory man for the banshee itself. even then there are a lot of tricks that are not in any manual at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheesandrider Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 If you know how to use a manual? That's pretty phucked up when this has nothing at all to do with knowing how to use the manual. It's pretty self explanatory if you've got half of a brain. The argument I was making was the pictures, not the diagrams or schematics, not even the text like you seem to be implying here. The pictures are dark and unable to be deciphered where the ones in the Clymer are very clear and small details are clearly noticeable. Here, have a look at what I'm talking about... Yamaha Service Manual- Honestly, can anyone see what is in these pictures? Every picture in the manual is like this. Clymer- Much better than above and they are all this clear. No matter how much you "doctored" those first two pictures there's no way they could be understood, especially to someone that relies on a service manual in the first place. Those of us that have been through a Banshee a time or two no longer need the manuals and it becomes second nature. The text in the manuals is similar but the Clymer speaks on more of an understandable level where the Yamaha manual speaks in a manner that requires you to know halfway what's going on in the first place. For what I paid for my Yamaha manual it should've came with a complimentary service technician to tell me what I'm looking at and official Yamaha letterhead to voice my complaints to corporate about the situation. About the only part of your post I agree with is the part about the price, they couldn't pay me to have another one. As for Firemann32's post, I have the service manual for my '07 R1 as well and it's much better than the one I have for the Banshee. I guess someone finally realized something was wrong with the manuals and fixed them by the time the latter ones came out. My factory Banshee manual looks nothing like that, the pictures are nice and clear and easy to see what they are talking about. Yours looks like it was photocopied poorly. I bought mine in 1990 for my 89 so maybe the newer ones are not as readable. I also have factory manuals for the Banshee, Blaster, and Warrior on CD Rom and they are clear also, no poor pictures in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanYE west Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 My factory Banshee manual looks nothing like that, the pictures are nice and clear and easy to see what they are talking about. Yours looks like it was photocopied poorly. I bought mine in 1990 for my 89 so maybe the newer ones are not as readable. I also have factory manuals for the Banshee, Blaster, and Warrior on CD Rom and they are clear also, no poor pictures in them. same here.. mine looks nothing like that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee Chad Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Get that factory one off eBay? Someone photocopy a real one and sold it to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblockbanshee Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Rocky Mountain ATV back in '06 or '07 is when I got it. Paid about $65 or 70 shipped for it. Wonder if anyone else has ran into this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicklez Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Wow this is heating up. I have to agree that the factory manuals are more complete. I use a Cylmers for my shee but the Honda service manual I use is more complete than the Cylmers. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 If you want a factory service manual, try this link: banshee manual Best part about it is, you can print out whatever pages you want, get them all messed up and just toss them out when you're done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boise_banshee Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 I purchased the 75.00 yamaha book from the local stealership and it sucks. I have to agree with BigBlock. It is good for clearances and readings, but pics suck and the step by step is more like step by 3 steps at a time. Would I spend even more $ to get a clymers, no. I learned more by the 20.00 dvd I bought off a member on here, took me to split'n the cases and back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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