sniper pipes on a 421 hjr motor

[banshee332]

I'm going to have to step in on this one. This bike never had the porting touched up and it never ran consistent. I ported and built this motor and shipped it to him. It never ran faster than the first few races it did when he received it from me. The bike or rider just couldn’t get it to run consistent. He tried many things including using you to try and put him up front. He continues to struggle with trying to get the bike to run consistently. It’s not the pipes, porting or the setup of the motor that’s going to help as I think you found that out. The bike is fast and can run low numbers and high ET's but not consistently.

 

I was giving a full report on the pipes. I tuned it 3 separate times. once with the cpis with only your porting it was around 6.6-6.7. After they had the porting cleaned up still with the cpi's it was more of a consistent 6.5 bike. Then once I put the snipers on and tuned it in some it was running 6.3-6.4's pretty consistent. I know we could of gotten the e.t's lower but he ran into issues with it and just ran out of time..

 

I was just giving a full report on testing the pipes and helping a friend out.

The Zach and koy let me know everything that they where doing to the bike and what they did to it.

Edited October 6, 2011 by banshee332

[dajogejr]

I went to the track this last Sunday with Wheelmanslim and rode my old motor in a new chassis setup. (Thanks Chris...)

The track we went to had whacked timers...it was more of a run for fun type day. Lights worked, whomever got to the end works...but the timers did not.

 

Unless you can believe that a guy next to me ran over 500MPH....twice...LOL.

 

My intention was to put my Sniper pipes on this bike and run it back to back against my old Shearer pipes as well (A well proven, consistent setup) but there was NO WAY in hell anyone of the 40 plus machines out there was running consistent or any kind of real numbers. Again, it was run for fun type deal

After riding (buying) my old HJR 10 mil cub, Wheelmanslim is going to send his other 10 mil to HJR for some love.

 

although I'm semi retired...lol, I'm going to work with Chris next year to give the pipes a fair test on proven bikes at proven tracks. (Not a knock on ya Brad, but after 6 years with my old motor...its solid and consistent as the day is long, and I'm the only guy to ever tune on it...)

 

This track just wasn't the right one to test and tune on it.

 

Gonna be a long winter...

[KEVSWS6]

I was giving a full report on the pipes. I tuned it 3 separate times. once with the cpis with only your porting it was around 6.6-6.7. After they had the porting cleaned up still with the cpi's it was more of a consistent 6.5 bike. Then once I put the snipers on and tuned it in some it was running 6.3-6.4's pretty consistent. I know we could of gotten the e.t's lower but he ran into issues with it and just ran out of time..

 

I was just giving a full report on testing the pipes and helping a friend out.

The Zach and koy let me know everything that they where doing to the bike and what they did to it.

 

I know what your saying. I'm sure the Sniper pipes are great. I had a set here and never had a chance to test them. I'm saying he never had any more portwork done to the motor over what I gave him. He has run as fast as a 6.2 on it the first few races he ever did with that motor. His problem was with consistency. He could run a 6.2 then run a 6.6. So I would say your data is inconclusive. He still strugles with this very same problem today. My guess is the tire, gear, chassis setup.

[banshee332]

I know what your saying. I'm sure the Sniper pipes are great. I had a set here and never had a chance to test them. I'm saying he never had any more portwork done to the motor over what I gave him. He has run as fast as a 6.2 on it the first few races he ever did with that motor. His problem was with consistency. He could run a 6.2 then run a 6.6. So I would say your data is inconclusive. He still strugles with this very same problem today. My guess is the tire, gear, chassis setup.

 

Im not trying to argue about this. Im going by what they told me. its not tire ,gearing etc. After they took it to a local machine shop that they know. They had the porting touched up like I stated above.Call them and ask them if you would like. I got all the bugs worked out of it once they got it back from the machine shop. After a few races with the snipers it was running pretty consistent 6.3's then we had ignition problems. Then we just plan out ran out of time.

 

Like I said call them and ask them yourself if you dont believe me. Seriously whats the point about bull shitting about it.

[KEVSWS6]

Im not trying to argue about this. Im going by what they told me. its not tire ,gearing etc. After they took it to a local machine shop that they know. They had the porting touched up like I stated above.Call them and ask them if you would like. I got all the bugs worked out of it once they got it back from the machine shop. After a few races with the snipers it was running pretty consistent 6.3's then we had ignition problems. Then we just plan out ran out of time.

 

Like I said call them and ask them yourself if you dont believe me. Seriously whats the point about bull shitting about it.

 

I did talk to him. Why did you stop helping him? The porting has never been touched up. Said he has never been able to get it to run consistently and it never ran as fast as it did right out of the box from me. So I think someone is telling us what we want to hear. The guys at the track concur with this statement. When it was new he was beating the other HJR motors for the first few races then he fell back and has never been able to come back up front again. In short like me you tried to help him but never got the bike running as hard as it had been new. You never made it faster nor more consistent as I see it or the track finishes dictate.

[4MiLLDraGSheE]

I did talk to him. Why did you stop helping him? The porting has never been touched up. Said he has never been able to get it to run consistently and it never ran as fast as it did right out of the box from me. So I think someone is telling us what we want to hear. The guys at the track concur with this statement. When it was new he was beating the other HJR motors for the first few races then he fell back and has never been able to come back up front again. In short like me you tried to help him but never got the bike running as hard as it had been new. You never made it faster nor more consistent as I see it or the track finishes dictate.

 

End of the thread, dont argue with the master, cant wait to get my cub in process.

[old man]

I did talk to him. Why did you stop helping him? The porting has never been touched up. Said he has never been able to get it to run consistently and it never ran as fast as it did right out of the box from me. So I think someone is telling us what we want to hear. The guys at the track concur with this statement. When it was new he was beating the other HJR motors for the first few races then he fell back and has never been able to come back up front again. In short like me you tried to help him but never got the bike running as hard as it had been new. You never made it faster nor more consistent as I see it or the track finishes dictate.

[old man]

I did talk to him. Why did you stop helping him? The porting has never been touched up. Said he has never been able to get it to run consistently and it never ran as fast as it did right out of the box from me. So I think someone is telling us what we want to hear. The guys at the track concur with this statement. When it was new he was beating the other HJR motors for the first few races then he fell back and has never been able to come back up front again. In short like me you tried to help him but never got the bike running as hard as it had been new. You never made it faster nor more consistent as I see it or the track finishes dictate.

well i guess i can pipe in now , that banshee and rider ran very consistant 6.5 with 4mill crank and 80 over ported stock cylinder with the cpi out of frame pipes, sent it to hjr for a set of ported cubs (because we was being beat up on the top end) got it back and it ran pretty consistantly SLOW (6.6,6.7)now we are talking about the rider who won the track total points championship out of 200 riders. 3 time points winner in his respective classes and never plassed below 2 in points till we got the cubs so i feel we can take the rider from the equation, so we will get right to it we have throwed every thing at this thing u can think of from shearer pipes to carbs and it never ran better then 6.4 89mph in 500ft and 4.4 in 300ft till mr painter and passion racing hooked us up with the sniper in frames now it took some tuning (that brad did) and we dropped straight to 6.2,6.3 at around 91 mph moved from 5 in points to 3rd and 3.8 in 300ft . would have had a solid end of year but had a igintion issue that ended with a total new igintion and wiring harness before fixed. I will not say one bad word about anyone unlike they have done about us , i have sent alot of business to hjr from Robison to Ramsey . I will say that the SNIPER IN FRAMES are so worth the money and Painters help was great couldnt ask for a better tuner and person . Thanks BRAD. PS i have time slips that prove every word not just talk and bitching .

[Joejr915]

i also race at this track and seen Brad helps people out at the track. if u need something for a banshee ask him and he probably has one and would let u use it for the night. brad a good friend. i have seen zach bike. Zachs bike ran pretty good with the snipers he was running consistent 6.3s. but i know is it was getting faster as the season went but i dont was brad was doin to it. i know zach like the pipe cuz i asked him when he first got them he said it ran better then ever. but i cant tell u if someone touched up the porting but all i can say it something happen to it because it got faster late in the season.

[old man]

i want to add everything banshee 332 posted is true . he has no reason to lie .

[banshee332]

Thanks for the kind words guys. There you go Kevin straight from the owners mouth of the hjr 421 cub. Nice try on trying to make me look like a lair. Next time mybe you will try to get your story straight before you accuse me of false information.

Just because I stated information about the 421 cub that you dident like you go and try to make shit up and make me look like a liar. Thanks I appreciate it. I never once posted false information in this thread.

All this post was intended for was for a review on the snipers pipes. How can I make an honest review with out getting into details on how the bike ran before I started tuning on it and then putting the snipers on it? So you talked to the owner of the 421 cub and they told you that the cylinders have not been touched since they left your shop? When did you talk to the owner?

 

Like I said above this post was a review on my findings on testing the sniper pipes on a hjr421 cub. It was an honest review thanks Kevin for trying to twist it around.

This post was not intended to bash hjr and the motor I tested them on was an hjr 421. Kevin your the one that tried to turn shit around and make me look like a liar.

[banshee332]

End of the thread, dont argue with the master, cant wait to get my cub in process.

 

This has what to do with the testing of sniper pipes?

[dajogejr]

I think you guys all need to hit a better known track and see how you stack up.

 

Not trying to stir the pot...not trying to downplay what you guys are doing. Let's face it, though...

 

See what these bikes, tuners and riders do in the two most common enviornments...

 

300 foot paddle tracks and 660 foot (1/8 mile) pavement.

 

The biggest and best names in the sport rely on those measurements at noted tracks....

 

I know this is all about the fun, don't get me wrong...but it would be nice to compare apples to apples...not apples to watermelons.

[banshee332]

I think you guys all need to hit a better known track and see how you stack up.

 

Not trying to stir the pot...not trying to downplay what you guys are doing. Let's face it, though...

 

See what these bikes, tuners and riders do in the two most common enviornments...

 

300 foot paddle tracks and 660 foot (1/8 mile) pavement.

 

The biggest and best names in the sport rely on those measurements at noted tracks....

 

I know this is all about the fun, don't get me wrong...but it would be nice to compare apples to apples...not apples to watermelons.

 

Dave I can see somewhat of your point, But this is a pipe review, we know what these bikes run consistently on this track, how is it not a fair comparison? You are getting off key like I said this is a pipe review from testing on the track we run. So what does running other builders or other tracks have to do with it? Not trying to be ignorant but the title says sniper pipes on a 421 hjr motor, not K&t vs hjr with sniper pipes etc. I tuned in this one bike with just hjr porting and cpi's, then they had the porting touched up and tuned in again, then the third time I tuned it in was with the snipers. This is not a comparison vs builders its a comparison of pipes. each tune in the bike got faster. So how is this not apples to apples?

 

So its not a known 300ft track, who cares. Its a track that we all have been running for years just like you and your tracks. You know what kind of times the track and bikes are capable of putting down.

Edited October 11, 2011 by banshee332

[banshee332]

I did talk to him. Why did you stop helping him? The porting has never been touched up. Said he has never been able to get it to run consistently and it never ran as fast as it did right out of the box from me. So I think someone is telling us what we want to hear. The guys at the track concur with this statement. When it was new he was beating the other HJR motors for the first few races then he fell back and has never been able to come back up front again. In short like me you tried to help him but never got the bike running as hard as it had been new. You never made it faster nor more consistent as I see it or the track finishes dictate.

 

You know I was going to be done with this but it really pisses me off. So I stoped helping them? I guess thats why I was at every race till the last race even though I dident bring anything to race myself beside the last two races and I still helped them even though I was working on my own stuff and helping other people as well.

The porting has never been touched up? The bike has never ran consistent or faster since I helped tune it in and put snipers on it?

Where do you get your Info from?

 

(old Man) is Koy owner of the bike, from the look of his post you can clearly see you dident get it from him.