Keyser Soze Posted September 15, 2010 Report Posted September 15, 2010 I think the dyno said about 80HP.....correct me if I'm wrong though. With awesome port work and a 4 mil crank....I am interested tho..would like to see a package deal advertised Quote
bennieben1 Posted September 15, 2010 Report Posted September 15, 2010 i will probably pick one of these up in the future. i think these jugs will be great. i just dont like the name Quote
No Limit Powersports Posted September 15, 2010 Author Report Posted September 15, 2010 With awesome port work and a 4 mil crank....I am interested tho..would like to see a package deal advertised The serval that we did made 80hp/50tq as cast with no port work. I don't see any reason for people to want to port this motor. If they want more to begin with buy a cub. If you want to start with this and later go to a cub you can with porting. Package deals are no problem just give me a shout and I will set you up. Andy Quote
TeamRealtreeHD Posted September 15, 2010 Report Posted September 15, 2010 (edited) So it's putting out the same power as stock cylindered 4 mil setups, but with more friendly power delivery? That's pretty sweet if you ask me. Edited September 15, 2010 by TeamRealtreeHD Quote
locogato11283 Posted September 15, 2010 Report Posted September 15, 2010 You guys have to also remember that Andy puts a lot of R&D in these setups. He isn't just throwing them out there claiming they can do something they really can't. Plus Calvin has put in a lot of R&D. There is a lot of test and tune that has already been done so that you guys can save time and money. If I was a dune or trail rider, I'd be on this. Quote
okbeast Posted September 15, 2010 Report Posted September 15, 2010 So it's putting out the same power as stock cylindered 4 mil setups, but with more friendly power delivery? That's pretty sweet if you ask me. It's putting down the same power as a ported 4mil setup yes. But straight bolt-on. I'd say the costs are at least even, if not leaning toward the serval after you weigh in porting and all. Quote
TeamRealtreeHD Posted September 16, 2010 Report Posted September 16, 2010 It's putting down the same power as a ported 4mil setup yes. But straight bolt-on. I'd say the costs are at least even, if not leaning toward the serval after you weigh in porting and all. Easier all around setup. Can't beat it. I'd love to try one out one day. That power delivery sounds sexy Quote
camatv Posted September 17, 2010 Report Posted September 17, 2010 i'd still do come clean up work and possibly some trans boost port work. IF they are similar intake as a cub. ( no pics at all yet?) as far as a package if you have a stock motor i'd suggest. head, domes ( cub domes?) the stock cylinder studs with a NOSS head DONT work right ( if these are set up like a cub.) BUT its an easy fix. ( differnt studs) billet basket, HD clutch, welded crank ( 400cc?) 421cc FULLY welded crank i'd suggest TZ drive bearing, ported stock cages and dual stage reeds OR v-force reeds, AFM base gaskets and case port, modded stock timing plate, OR billet plate. other things maybe lighten flywheel, DYNA ignition and NOLOGY coil. that combo should result in a nice running motor its just what I would do if i was going to build one. Quote
Titan up Posted September 17, 2010 Report Posted September 17, 2010 (edited) Cam, what do you mean by the stock studs with a NOSS head don't work right? Edited September 17, 2010 by Titan up Quote
dajogejr Posted September 17, 2010 Report Posted September 17, 2010 From talking with Andy (and I think he's out of town for a couple days now) they have a 4 mil 68 bore ready to go. I'm sure there are some casting flaws that could use cleaning up...other wise it's a bolt on cylinder with great power and a broad curve. Guys that very good with cylinders can get similar numbers...but any of them will tell you that's after hours of work. These are designed to work with stock bolt on parts, like stock carbs and maybe some T5 pipes, etc. If you're looking to get max power, as said...go with a cub. Quote
Forcefed Posted September 18, 2010 Report Posted September 18, 2010 Should be seeing a 421 at the door early this upcoming week. Got some details to work out - but am excited for the guy. Quote
No Limit Powersports Posted September 20, 2010 Author Report Posted September 20, 2010 They look identical to a cub cylinder they are the exact same casting just different port timings. There is absolutely room for improvements in peak power from porting, but that is what a cub is. If your looking for a drag motor by a cub, if your looking for a trail,dune motor buy a serval. We took the serval to sand fest this weekend to give it a real world test and it only got better and better. The little bike took everything we threw at it and more. Its has got to be the easiest bike to ride that i have ever been on. Quote
dajogejr Posted September 20, 2010 Report Posted September 20, 2010 So of course the question is how did it compare to a cub in racing? Quote
No Limit Powersports Posted September 20, 2010 Author Report Posted September 20, 2010 Obviously it is not a drag motor nor do we pretend that it is so dragging it against 110 hp 421 cubs really doesn't prove anything. But we did ride it in the trails and in the open against nicely ported oem cylinders and it was more that strong. It handled about every oem dune ported stock cylinder we threw at it. The real test is ride-ability and smooth power delivery which is has. I think that everybody on the fence about a good strong ported oem cylinder should really consider a serval. It has so much usable power and really easy to ride, but to be honest its really a fast little motor and this setup is so conservative the way it is setup. IMO it is setup the way they should be (pump gas and inframes). Quote
dajogejr Posted September 20, 2010 Report Posted September 20, 2010 Right on Andy...obviously those that want a pure drag motor should bark up the cub tree. It's just too bad you can't throw it in a 4 stroke chassis and have the best of everything, chassis, suspension and motor. Thanks for the update. Setup conservatively like you said, it should last you a long time! Nikasil is some tough stuff for sure. Quote
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