banshee featured in dirt rider magazine

[2K1Banshee350]

Because Dirtwheels is a biased garbage magazine. All of the big ATV manufacturers line Dirtwheels pockets and that's why you will never see a straight up answer in Dirtwheels. They beat around the real deal because they have to appease everyone.

 

for the most part, yeah. but ive been getting it for over 10 years and dont plan to stop now. there is still some decent reading at times

[billybobby]

then you must hate every magazine, because they all think a 400ex is better all around. in some ways, it is better. every quad has there thing

I agree with loco here they had to love the 400 to spark the industry. The magazines you like to read are biased to new stuff they kind of have to be. The 400 is better for a girl quad and that’s it. The banshee is old but it's not an air cooled, old technology pile of slowness with very limited potential. You are very wrong some quads don't have a thing they are good at and are just flat out worthless.

[2K1Banshee350]

I agree with loco here they had to love the 400 to spark the industry. The magazines you like to read are biased to new stuff they kind of have to be. The 400 is better for a girl quad and that’s it. The banshee is old but it's not an air cooled, old technology pile of slowness with very limited potential. You are very wrong some quads don't have a thing they are good at and are just flat out worthless.

 

another touchy banshee loyalist... you're gonna tell me a banshee carves a super tight turn like a 400ex? has the suspension of a 400ex? jumps as nice as a 400ex? has the low end torque of a 400ex? can go through tioght woods with out touching the clutch? get a clue buddybooby

Edited September 1, 2010 by 2K1Banshee350

[RagunCajun]

doesnt magazines in general only give stock bikes attention? If we talking about stock pipes, the banshee sucks.

 

and if you gotta add aftermarket stuff, anything can be faster. And with the newer 4 strokes chassis and better suspension, it's an overall better machine. Not all of people measure a 4 wheelers performance in a strait line.

 

Think of it this way. The more they talk bad about a banshee, the better it will be to spank some 4 stroke butt in a drag race

 

Now this fuel injection thing....id like to hear more about this. I wouldnt mind spending 2k on it if it works. Smoother powerband hit = more traction

Edited September 1, 2010 by RagunCajun

[bigborebanshee]

Because Dirtwheels is a biased garbage magazine. All of the big ATV manufacturers line Dirtwheels pockets and that's why you will never see a straight up answer in Dirtwheels. They beat around the real deal because they have to appease everyone.

 

Same could be said about this or any other website that offers paid advertising or charges a premium to advertise a business.The site could have questionable vendors that have unsatisfied customers but the administrator allows them to continue to advertise because its lining their pockets.

 

If you read dirtwheels or visit the websites merely for interesting reading,than your probably more interested in getting general information or opinion with no intent in using it to form a bias opinion of the magazine or website.

 

I still pick up dirt wheels and dirtrider for the technical info,i could give a shit less who they pick to win their shootouts or pipe tests etc.Just as i still routinely visit websites that may show bias toward one thing or another.

[2K1Banshee350]

doesnt magazines in general only give stock bikes attention? If we talking about stock pipes, the banshee sucks.

 

and if you gotta add aftermarket stuff, anything can be faster. And with the newer 4 strokes chassis and better suspension, it's an overall better machine. Not all of people measure a 4 wheelers performance in a strait line.

 

Think of it this way. The more they talk bad about a banshee, the better it will be to spank some 4 stroke butt in a drag race

 

Now this fuel injection thing....id like to hear more about this. I wouldnt mind spending 2k on it if it works.

 

agree 100%

[2K1Banshee350]

Same could be said about this or any other website that offers paid advertising or charges a premium to advertise a business.The site could have questionable vendors that have unsatisfied customers but the administrator allows them to continue to advertise because its lining their pockets.

 

If you read dirtwheels or visit the websites merely for interesting reading,than your probably more interested in getting general information or opinion with no intent in using it to form a bias opinion of the magazine or website.

 

I still pick up dirt wheels and dirtrider for the technical info,i could give a shit less who they pick to win their shootouts or pipe tests etc.Just as i still routinely visit websites that may show bias toward one thing or another.

 

 

exactly, u dont have to believe everything u read... just enjoy the info and the general opibion. believe it or not, if uve read the reviews and then ride the machine, a lot of times they're right!

[Snopczynski]

exactly, u dont have to believe everything u read... just enjoy the info and the general opibion. believe it or not, if uve read the reviews and then ride the machine, a lot of times they're right!

Just about every magazine I read gives the good along with the bad. An example of this for that article would be "although the bike ripped in the dunes, we felt a better rear tire selection could have been made". However, because it was dirtwheels, they were getting stroked and didn't say shit. Fags!

[papa-smurf]

I owned a 400ex a few years ago and sold it and bought a banshee a year ago. The 400 felt like many other quads and didn't excite me. I guess for me personally, the banshee powerband cannot be replaced with any kind of 4 stroke efi combination.

[DAL]

I've been reading Dirt Wheels since 1989, and sure, while they do (and say) some pretty lame stuff now and again, overall they're a pretty good magazine.

 

And while we all love Banshees, they are pretty old school, and not really great at doing many things other than going straight. Not to say they can't be modded to perform better in different circumstances (I'm currently building one up for motocross), but there are a lot better options out there for just about every application I can think of. Most of us ride Banshees not necesarily because they are the coolest (even though they are), or because they're the best at any one thing, or because (insert whatever else). We ride them because we love them, for countless reasons. No need to hate on Dirt Wheels.

 

As much as ATVing has grown over the last 10 years (due in no small part to major manufacturer support - i.e. the release of application-specific and technologically advanced quads), I'm surprised more niche-focused magazines haven't been released. I mean, just look how many car magazines are out there. However, it's expensive to publish anything, and most of the money (at least in motorsports) comes from the manufacturers themselves. And when Honda (or Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki, et. al.) is paying your meal ticket, it's a given that you're going to feature (i.e. help sell) some of their newest product. Capitalism at work, my friends.

[billybobby]

another touchy banshee loyalist... you're gonna tell me a banshee carves a super tight turn like a 400ex? has the suspension of a 400ex? jumps as nice as a 400ex? has the low end torque of a 400ex? can go through tioght woods with out touching the clutch? get a clue buddybooby

Nah not a loyalist I have a CRF450 dirt bike. I would buy a banshee before a 400ex though. It is just not that much better carving or jumping plus the motor is a turd and has no potential. The banshee motor more than makes up for the handling if you are talking banshee vs 400ex. All I was saying is the 400ex is totally a waste with these 450 quads out now and the banshee still has something on them. I agree the Banshee is not the best for anything other than a straight line even with my outlaw framed shee. A purpose built 450 is going to be better on a mx track or in the woods. That being said I do love this thing it is fast as hell and handles real close to a fully built mx 450. I love surprising the hell out of everyone that rides with me at how fast a banshee can be on a track, dunes, woods this sucker is a monster. I would highly recommend an outlaw frame and a well built fi system if you want to sport the shee anywhere other than the dunes. If not just get both a 450 and a shee for the dunes. I talked with Bobby at LSR they will build a 250r or Yamaha 450 based frame for 2,500.00 right now! Pretty damn good price.

[WINDYCITYJOHN400]

I get some of what you are saying Windycity but the frame is a really weak point mx, trails and even in the dunes it is just not as good as these new 450's. I have spoken to Lsr several times about the outlaw frame recently and they will still build this frame for anyone. That being said the frame on this bike was made in 99 pretty old. Nothing wrong with carbs they can be every bit as fast if not faster then efi. If all you want to do is drag and dune stay with carbs for sure. I bought this bike from Loboboy and have put some miles on it dunes, mx, sea level to 11,000 feet no jetting changes no fouled plugs and it is rideable at 90 horse. I dig the EFI and the frame! I for sure agree dirt wheels has been gay since they said a 400ex is better then a shee.

 

I want to be sure I'm not looked at like I was bashing the bike. I have no problems with the bike. It's the perspective from the DW staff that boils my blood. I have more than one Banshee. One is a Metal Tech full chromoly +4 front Dune/Drag frame and a 472 cheetah that's right at the triple digit HP mark. So I know the benefits of a different frame. (my bike in full dune trim with Elkas is only 301 lbs.) But the stock frame isn't THAT bad. Yes, the outlaw, with it's honda 250R geometry works better. But I have no problems riding MX,WOODS,TRAIL,GNCC on my stock framed Banshee. I look forward to the day an EFI fuel system is an affordable option for the Banshee. But the article read like without EFI and a custom frame...why ride or own a banshee.

[WINDYCITYJOHN400]

another touchy banshee loyalist... you're gonna tell me a banshee carves a super tight turn like a 400ex? has the suspension of a 400ex? jumps as nice as a 400ex? has the low end torque of a 400ex? can go through tioght woods with out touching the clutch? get a clue buddybooby

Well I'll respond to this one by saying that we just sold my wife's Honda 400 EX that had a 440 big bore kit, PEP triple rate shocks with remote res', and a +4 axle. It was my back-up bike for dirt and woods riding and her main bike for the dunes. That bike shook the snot out of her on the dunes no matter what I did to the shock set-up, even after adding a stearing stabilizer. The seat didn't impress me after a long day of riding, and it overheated bad in a GNCC race on me because in the tight technical trails when your in 1-2 weaving in and out of trees and over logs, the air doesn't cool the oil very well and the motor get's hot! Now she's on a Banshee with a 370 long rod motor, works shocks, and she loves it. The seat is alot softer than any other seat in the industry. Yes I'll say that the 400EX carves a tight turn. It has to, it's short! I don't think the 400 jumps all that better than the banshee. The 450's do. But 4-strokes always have tons of low end torque. I'll admit that I'd rather run a KTM 450-525XC for the tight dirt and woods. But the article was about DUNES. And there is NOTHING the Honda 400EX does well or better than a Banshee in the sand.

[GrayRaptor734r]

I'm with Loco on this. If you don't think DW is a joke then go look at the modded 450 shootout they did a month or so ago. I would have loved to have seen how the results of that shootout wood have been if they had done the same mods to all the bikes and included all the bikes. (I think they left out the KTM)

[sandman81]

Same could be said about this or any other website that offers paid advertising or charges a premium to advertise a business.The site could have questionable vendors that have unsatisfied customers but the administrator allows them to continue to advertise because its lining their pockets.

 

If you read dirtwheels or visit the websites merely for interesting reading,than your probably more interested in getting general information or opinion with no intent in using it to form a bias opinion of the magazine or website.

 

I still pick up dirt wheels and dirtrider for the technical info,i could give a shit less who they pick to win their shootouts or pipe tests etc.Just as i still routinely visit websites that may show bias toward one thing or another.

 

I don't know if the same could be said about this website. From the experience Ive had with HQ and the member love for the banshee, there has been plenty of member that have steered other member away from buying a banshee over another atv. And that is because a member will have better use of another atv because it will best suit them for there style of riding. On this website the member talk about there experience with no censorship as for DW they will have some sort of a editor.

 

As for a 400ex being better then a banshee. That is just crazy, that atv is only good for cruising around on trails. I would only get that bike for a beginner or a girl thats not all crazy about going fast. Bike is a joke and comparing it to a banshee or any REAL sport bike is a joke too. The only thing good that i can say about a 400 is that in a long race it will win but thats because a banshee will run out of gas.