FrankieSquid Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Just a simple question for you guys who have done this. I been reading up on it but would like to get your guy's opinions. SLORYDER explained on how it's done, my question is how much of a difference will it be towards stock and will it require rejetting to compensate for the increased air flow?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUMBASS Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Just a simple question for you guys who have done this. I been reading up on it but would like to get your guy's opinions. SLORYDER explained on how it's done, my question is how much of a difference will it be towards stock and will it require rejetting to compensate for the increased air flow?? waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcrano Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 waste of time. x2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
278 Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Anything you do to change air flow will require a jetting change. As far as porting, there's more than one way to do it. While different builders claim different power increases with the ported cages, most of the power will be made by changing your reed petals, the porting is to accent the petals really. As far as a waste of time... I disagree. I have ported my cages for both motors Ive built. The first motor I ported them one way and the new 4mil. I ported them a different way. You have 3 basic options for reeds that most people choose for your banshee. VF3, porting with new petals, and the new one is the Chariot performance cages. I havnt heard much about the chariot reeds, although I know they have done their research with flow technology and have made a good product. I dont however know where their reeds make power. As far as the other 2 options, beings that VF3's are really made for top end, unless you have a drag bike porting your cages with new petals will work just as good, and since the petals are only $40 compared to $280 it costs for VF3's you can choose. On a side note I believe the Chariot cages are about $165 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLORYDER Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) Anything you do to change air flow will require a jetting change. As far as porting, there's more than one way to do it. While different builders claim different power increases with the ported cages, most of the power will be made by changing your reed petals, the porting is to accent the petals really. As far as a waste of time... I disagree. I have ported my cages for both motors Ive built. The first motor I ported them one way and the new 4mil. I ported them a different way. You have 3 basic options for reeds that most people choose for your banshee. VF3, porting with new petals, and the new one is the Chariot performance cages. I havnt heard much about the chariot reeds, although I know they have done their research with flow technology and have made a good product. I dont however know where their reeds make power. As far as the other 2 options, beings that VF3's are really made for top end, unless you have a drag bike porting your cages with new petals will work just as good, and since the petals are only $40 compared to $280 it costs for VF3's you can choose. On a side note I believe the Chariot cages are about $165 This. Porting the cages and adding boysens is a great alternative to VF3 reeds. Might not get every last fraction of a horsepower, but the cagea, after ported allow almost 150% of the flow of the stockers. If increasing flow is a waste of time, why do people buy aftermarket reeds??? For a bone stock engine with just pipes and filter, there may not be much to gain, but once you start adding porting/ bigger carbs it is well worth the time spent. Edited June 9, 2010 by SLORYDER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieSquid Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Well i want to say thanks for everyone's feedback i do appreciate it. I will be planning to add aftermarket reeds with the porting. I figured since it would add more flow it should have some significant increase in power. I knew i had to re jet but i always like to ask first before i blow my shit up. I was planning to get the VF3 but the funds for the shee had to go to the 4poker i got, damn thing is giving me all sorts of issues. Well thanks again for eveyones help/feedback and thanks SloRyder for the pics. I will post back with the results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf44 Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Has anyone tried the TDR Carbon fiber or Epoxy reeds? I can get any of them on the market but havent heard much on theres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLORYDER Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Has anyone tried the TDR Carbon fiber or Epoxy reeds? I can get any of them on the market but havent heard much on theres. I've heard good things about the tdr's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf44 Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Im thinking of changing mine. I run VF-3s right now. I just have a bottem end hesitation I can seem to get rid of 100%. I play in the trees and hill climbs more than anything so Im thinking a diff. style of reeds will better suit me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry's Shee Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 but the funds for the shee had to go to the 4poker i got, damn thing is giving me all sorts of issues. Fuck that 4 poke, lol . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
278 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 This. Porting the cages and adding boysens is a great alternative to VF3 reeds. Might not get every last fraction of a horsepower, but the cagea, after ported allow almost 150% of the flow of the stockers. If increasing flow is a waste of time, why do people buy aftermarket reeds??? For a bone stock engine with just pipes and filter, there may not be much to gain, but once you start adding porting/ bigger carbs it is well worth the time spent. That is what I was saying. The guy above me said its a waste of time and I said I disagree... I know that Many builders that spend most of there time on banshees suggest that if you arent running an all out drag motor then just port your stockers because you dont need the VF3. As I said before I had ported cages on my trail ported motor, and I am porting a set for my 4mil. aggressive dune ported motor. I have had good luck with ported cages, as I have done them for a few YZ125's as well. Why spend more money on expensive reed set ups when you dont have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKheathen Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 well, here is a pic of what banshee cages look like ported. that other pic doesn't look like stock cages. basically, you want to do it all by hand with differnt files. steeper angles will help lower rpm performance, and longer, more gradual angles will flow better at higher rates. it pretty much helps the reeds move a little differently, and freely, rather than increasing flow. only real way you can do any harm is if you cut too much from where the reed seals and it starts to leak. not at all a big bump in power, but a nice little project. i'd compare it to a little cleanup porting and intake match on a car/truck. i would like to add, that where it is hogged out near the screws, the outters should be radiused around, not just squared off openings, like the pic shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcrano Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 That is what I was saying. The guy above me said its a waste of time and I said I disagree... I know that Many builders that spend most of there time on banshees suggest that if you arent running an all out drag motor then just port your stockers because you dont need the VF3. As I said before I had ported cages on my trail ported motor, and I am porting a set for my 4mil. aggressive dune ported motor. I have had good luck with ported cages, as I have done them for a few YZ125's as well. Why spend more money on expensive reed set ups when you dont have to. well i had ported cages in there and noticed no difference at all.u can say i did it wrong or whatever u want.i dont give a fuck about the talk of flow,velocity blah blah blah.i want to feel a difference or its a waste of time which it was.i dont care about a dyno sheet either tho i havent seen one.i go by ass on the seat dyno,not a piece of paper,i cant ride that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKheathen Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 you just sound like a huge moron. if you dont care about flow or velocity, then why buy VF reeds? also ass on the seat dyno is what cheap asses and retards use to tell a difference. have you thought that maybe when you put the ported cages on, you might need to rejet? maybe the temp changed? or maybe the humidiy changed? if you did the porting yourself, you most likely fucked up. and reeds really dont give more power, they give better throttle response. actually, the combination of reeds and cage will get you anywhere between 2-3hp in a piped motor........throttle response, feel, and power profile are what sets all the different combo apart. vf and charriot ftmfw foo.....but, pedals alone will still get decent power, but big builds start feeling the prolems with stock cages allot more. i will irriterate, it is not a huge difference just porting the cages, and you might not feel it. probably only if you start getting into something technical, or a manuver, that you seem to make it easier, but your pants will probably stay the same on a stockish motor. it's just a decent free mod, and neato little project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcrano Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 you just sound like a huge moron. if you dont care about flow or velocity, then why buy VF reeds? also ass on the seat dyno is what cheap asses and retards use to tell a difference. have you thought that maybe when you put the ported cages on, you might need to rejet? maybe the temp changed? or maybe the humidiy changed? if you did the porting yourself, you most likely fucked up. and reeds really dont give more power, they give better throttle response. hey zilla faggot,if i gave 2 fucks about your opinions id ask for them.so take ur reply and pound salt.let me guess,u ported ur cages and got 10 hp huh.douche.i agree with what akheathen said,if u want a little project cool,i personally was expecting a gain that was noticeable so i thought i wasted time on it.btw,the v3s were on the bike when i bought it.god i wanna punch ur stupid ass in the face.i hate bullshit replies and people talking shit.this is my opinion.if u dont like it fine,but dont run ur dicksucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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