Help an indecisive banshee owner

[gotta_goatsfast]

I'm having a conflict of interest guys. I purchased the quad with some gofast parts installed, but am slowely removing them for better performing pieces. I ditched the 33mm single carb setup for some cheap OKO's (confident that I'll see more top-end) and now I'm not sure what pipe to run. Currently, the bike has FMF fatty series pipes and powercore silencers. The pipes are rusted and beat, so I'm considering a different exhaust.

 

I ride trails fairly aggressively and like the wide open throttle thrill this bike gives me. I'm considering three pipes. FMF's SST series, Toomey T5s, or R-2 pipes from Borrink. Any experience with these vs. the fatty's? The bike is unported as of now but in the winter months ahead I'll be pulling it apart for some internal work.

 

Thanks for the help guys!

 

(all my buds dog me for my 2 stroke dinosaur so there's not much help in my area...)

[ban99]

I run the t-5's and can say it's a great pipe, however i am hearing so many good things about the r-2's that i am considering giving them a shot myself. I have never heard anything nice about the fmf's.

[firebanshee]

I wouldn't get the SSTs they don't work good on ported motors,i think you would like the T-5 or the R-2.

[fastbanshee8]

I run the t-5's and can say it's a great pipe, however i am hearing so many good things about the r-2's that i am considering giving them a shot myself. I have never heard anything nice about the fmf's.

 

There's nothing wrong with the FMF's, and many people on here agree with that, also. I used to run a set of Fatty's on a set of ported jugs, and I beat many other Shee's running Toomey's. To the OP, you will not get the maximum performance out of any of the pipes you are looking at, until you get some port work done.

[madjimmax]

Pro Circuits are also great for the trails great low end and still pull pretty good up top. I'm not familiar with the R-2s except for what I've read on here, which has been good but I'll wait for some more reviews before I'll switch. From what I've read the people that have the R-2s are not doing all trail riding at least from what I've read.

[- DUNNY -]

http://bansheehq.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=130621 here is a link to the pipe review on my r2's i did. also another guy and my buddy Jammer chimed in. i have ran fmf fatty's, gnarly's, t5's, cpi, dynoport 2:1, and original rockets. i dont think i would ever go back. my review was done on stock cylinders, which i have ran all the pipes i mentioned, except for the original rockets on a stock port, for the best comparison. i just put my dune ported hjr cylinders on. i will be doing another review here in the next couple days once it dries up. i will also put my cpi, t5s, and original rockets, to see how they all compare to the new r2's on my ported cylinders with 35 pwks. my buddy jammer also has a set of shearer i think we will throw in the mix. it will be about a week or two, but should get a test on all the pipes back to back.

 

dont get me wrong, fmf ran good, but the r2's you could definatly feel the difference. the first thing my buddy said when he got off my bike was, there was no comparison between the r2's and the fmf gnarly's ( i sold to him) that he ran, the r2's shined in every aspect over them (and my fatty's). i would have to say the r2's will be more responsive to good mid to top end port over the fmf's also. but its all in what you want, and if your working on a budget.

 

the closest thing to the r2's would have to be the cpi, in my opinion, with the r2's having alot stronger bottom to them. (i like the cpi over the t5's personally on the stock cylinder)

 

my chrome cpi sb inframes will probably be for sale here in the next couple weeks, my chrome r2's will be here mid next week.

[Snopczynski]

I dont know about the R2's, but the SST's and the T5's are not a trail pipe. I would stick with something thats known for low-mid pull for what you want to use it for.

[camatv]

fmf FATTY"S that are not dented or damaged with PACKED silencers will respond great to mods. sst's are even better ( more overrev in my mind)

 

i dont like the gold series the original's or the "signature series they ALL have a flat top end brick wall effect similar to the t-5's BUT the t-5's are a great overall pipe also. the t-5's also have a more aggressive sound than the fmf's the fmf's will be quieter..

 

i've never ran a set of rocket's OR r-2's i also have not run any pipes on stock motor's.. most pipes with porting will be in the 60-65hp range. plenty of power for that dinosaur to spank some fart cann butt..

[gotta_goatsfast]

The Fatty's are rusted but not dented. It's the "gold series", also. Port work is in the future, but I'll wait til riding season is over before I tear down the engine.

 

I'm really considering the R-2 setup. The trails I ride are fast paced, so I see full throttle a LOT.

 

DUNNY-thanks for the review. The bike sounds real good, I just hope it isn't too loud.

[camatv]

even an fmf fatty would have better power than the gold series..

[AKheathen]

i cannot agree with the statement that sst's won't make power, or are not good for a ported motor. they will indeed make nice power on the correct port job. they just aren't a topend pipe, is the problem, so dune/drag will not match, but a trail port will work good, especially setup for the pipes. they are one of the 2 wideband pipes out there, so they start to come on kinda low-mid, and still rev out, while carrying a gradual, smooth powerband in the mid to mid-top. as for the "gold series" i have a set of origional gold series layin around and they pulled verry hard from the mid-topend. they come on like a lightswithc and pull all the way up, but i wouldn't really say they hit a brick wall on top, unless you advance the timing. i really love the pro-circuits' power in the woods and wo dirt roads and hillclimbing. when you say aggresive trail- do you mean you pretty much keep it up in the pipe, or do you lad it down near idle allot and need to jump back up. if you need to clutch allot, then a nice midrange pipe that pulls hard may be what you need, pro-circuit will pull really hard, similar to the fatties in power level, but coming on much earlier, and keeping power above and below the main curve. sst's will not really have a defined powerbsnd, but start making power in lower-mid, and gain like a 4stroke band then taper to the rev-out. the rockets, i have heard are awesome on mountain trails and wide-open runs, coming on in the mid and pulling to the moon, like an obeese t-5, but i don't know anything about the r-2, possibly improvements, or rpm chance, which could be godd, or bad

 

well, that's my 20 cents

[jbooker82]

I don't know.

 

When I switched from FMF SST's to T5's they ran about the same. The SST's are supose to rev out farther than the regualar fatties.

 

The SST pipe increases mid range pull and extends the over-rev considerably while sharpening the off idle throttle response. No other pipe on the market can offer these same type of gains or offer the same linear power delivery that the patented SST brings to the table.

http://www.fmfracing.com/Mode/Category/99

[gotta_goatsfast]

The only time the bike is below 5000rpm is when we're stopped for a break or waiting for others to catch up. I purchased a pair of 30mm carbs from a fellow member here to replace a single 33mm PWK currently on the bike. I'm hoping this will give me more top-end also.

 

Also, we ride a lot on private property where open fields are plentiful. I wouldn't mind sacrificing some power in the 4000-6000rpm range to gain in the 7000 and beyond. Maybe the R-2 pipes are just hype, but the advertising sounds like it fits what I want. I mean, I can't have a bike that fouls plugs if I cruise a mile or two at 4500rpm waiting for others to catch up, but I also want the advantage of a strong top end/overrev for when they DO catch up.

 

Maybe I'm asking too much of the bike? I've considered building a ported +4mm setup this winter to bring back any low-mid grunt that I'll lose by switching back to dual carbs and mid-top pipes. But I'm not sure how much I'll have to sink into other stuff like a clutch to hold it and a swing arm to keep it down... But that's for another thread at a later date. Back to pipes!

Edited May 26, 2010 by gotta_gofast

[gotta_goatsfast]

even an fmf fatty would have better power than the gold series..

 

What's in the gold series' design that leaves them lacking against other pipes?

[wacko2000]

I ran pro circuits on my first shee,

T'5 on my second shee and currently running CPI's

I have ridden many different pipes, if you are looking for a all around GREAT pipe, i wouldnt choose anything other than a set of pro circuits.

They are just insane, smoother and snappier than anything Ive tested.

My 2 buddies are currently running them, one has some nice port work and bolt ons, and the bike is insane, other has a clean up port and - 2 swinger and for the 20 mins it was running, it was nearly impossible to keep the front end down. They rev out really well and in my opinion will run with any pipe up top other than some drag pipes

I have not ridden a bike with rockets yet though, so i cant say much about them.

good luck