okbeast Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Any filter maintained properly will work like it is supposed to. Under oil a K&N or foam filter and it won't work. Over oil one and it will clog up. Get the angled K&N's, should help out. But they may rub on the frame by the top shock mount. Just something ya gotta deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burt Reynolds Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 it looks like you have a 1/2 inch spacer in the intake,is there one there? i was running in frame cpis and 35mm pwk's with pods with no clearance issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 im not going to waste my time argueing with you over something so stupid. your right I'm just tryin to have a conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Any filter maintained properly will work like it is supposed to. Did you watch that video I posted ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon321 Posted April 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Did you watch that video I posted ? yeah,it was pretty interesting how the gauze and paper filters just let the dirt pass like nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon321 Posted April 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 it looks like you have a 1/2 inch spacer in the intake,is there one there? i was running in frame cpis and 35mm pwk's with pods with no clearance issues. yes ,i think it may be bigger then 1/2 inch though,lol. whoever built the quad for the original owner stuck those in there if removing those dosent throw anything out of whack ill do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okbeast Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Yes but who says it's not rigged. I guarantee you if K&N did a commercial there's would stop everything and everyone else's would let dirt through. I'm not gonna argue either. I ride with probably 6 bikes that all run K&N's. We ride in sand, and some dirty conditions. We all keep the filters well-maintained and when we take them off after a ride there's not a bit of dirt on the inside of the filter, carb, nor reeds. And I'd also says it's a give and take on performance. All the big bikes I've seen run the K&N or K&N copies, coincidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tz750dragracer Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 yes ,i think it may be bigger then 1/2 inch though,lol. whoever built the quad for the original owner stuck those in there if removing those dosent throw anything out of whack ill do it. The reed spacers are sometimes installed to install bigger reed cages without grinding as much material in the intake tract. As long as your reeds fit and open without hitting the intake walls, I Wou ld just remove them to make room for your carbs. That is a beautiful Banshee, you should be proud. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driggs Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 I'd like to hear why this video is wrong or fake or rigged. Lets debunk this video together. This quote under the video makes you think...."why did they cut off at 4:20 and showed the "clean" cloth afterwards? they didnt cut off from the other filters so why from the true flow filters?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncbob Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 The K&N in the video, if it was a K&N was under oiled. I don't know what paper filter they were using, but any good paper filter stops more crap than either foam or K&N, but is by far the most restrictive by far. All in all, they are hawking the foam filter in the test, so who do you think is going to win? Foam isn't a bad filter, it's just a huge pain in the ass. They suck to clean, they suck to oil just right, and they suck to install. They only thing I have ever found foam good for is muddy conditions, and then I like them warped around a K&N filter to keep the big chunks off of my outerwear, with NO oil on it what so ever. Can you name me one form of racing that uses a open filter set up that uses foam as the primary filter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragbanshee98 Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 wow dude that is cluttered under there. What size carbs and filters are you running. I was running CPI'S 35's and pods and i still had plenty of room. I had the angled pods so im guessing thats what helped. I also have heat wraps on the stinger tubes so I do not burn up my pods or outerwears. i also use the CPI and 35 with 6 inch pods combo and have enough room alll around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 The K&N in the video, if it was a K&N was under oiled. I don't know what paper filter they were using, but any good paper filter stops more crap than either foam or K&N, but is by far the most restrictive by far. All in all, they are hawking the foam filter in the test, so who do you think is going to win? Foam isn't a bad filter, it's just a huge pain in the ass. They suck to clean, they suck to oil just right, and they suck to install. They only thing I have ever found foam good for is muddy conditions, and then I like them warped around a K&N filter to keep the big chunks off of my outerwear, with NO oil on it what so ever. Can you name me one form of racing that uses a open filter set up that uses foam as the primary filter? The K&N in the video, if it was a K&N was under oiled. The same could be said for the foam filter in the video. All in all, they are hawking the foam filter in the test, so who do you think is going to win? But you seen it with your own eyes. And the results weren't even close. It was a blowout. Do you think that perhaps the guys who made the video used some trickery or editing trick ? Foam isn't a bad filter, it's just a huge pain in the ass. They suck to clean, they suck to oil just right, and they suck to install. I have to totally disagree. They are soooooooo easy to clean. The best way is with a parts washer, just hold the filter under the spray for a bit and it wring it out. Or if you don't have a parts washer, a little bit of kerosene poured over the filter and its clean. And to oil em, all you do is spray em with filter oil and rub the oil in a little bit. How are those two procedures anyway difficult or a pain in the ass ? And I don't under how foam sucks to install. You slip the filter on the flange, and you tighten down the hose clamp. Not sucky at all. And what is the cleaning, oiling and installation procedures of a K&N and how are those procedures easier and better than what I just described for a foam filter ?? They only thing I have ever found foam good for is muddy conditions Foam filters are better at filtering fine dust and dirt, and not so much mud. All three types of filters can handle mud fine, its the dust in the air that challenges an air filter. Not mud. You have it backwards. Can you name me one form of racing that uses a open filter set up that uses foam as the primary filter? Yes. MX and SX and XC dirt bikes all run foam. Foam is by far the dominate filter used on dirt bikes. Guys racing dirt bikes don't use K&N filters. Charmachael and Stewart both use Twin Air for example. Any dirt bike with a K&N filter installed means the guy who owns the machine is a noob. I'd bet 90% of all dirt bikes that are raced in national races use a foam filter. I think that guys look at the two filters and think.... "well the K&N filter has to better because it looks like its engineered better, and because the competition is just a hunk of foam. And the K&N filter costs almost double than foam so it just has to be the better filter. And everyone says that K&N's breathe better, so they make more HP." And guys get suckered into a marketing ploy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncbob Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Closed course racing is a lot different than the rest of us in the real world, vary rarely are they dusty races, the tracks get watered to prevent that. How many foam filters do you see on say winged outlaw cars? They also run closed course, but make about 10 times the HP as a motorcycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 10 deg angled pod filters with PWK's and Boss Racing intake. Plenty of room. I just use a Cascade heat wrap on the LH stinger. The 20 deg pods where to angled for my setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 This quote under the video makes you think...."why did they cut off at 4:20 and showed the "clean" cloth afterwards? they didnt cut off from the other filters so why from the true flow filters?" Yep it is an Infomercial. There product is alway supiror. Foam filters and Tornado's are the way to go I have never found dirt in the intake, carbs, or inside of the filters running K&N's with outerwears. K&N hasn't been in buisness for 40 years selling bad air filters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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