wacko2000 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Im hoping that all the older guys here and dudes with all the knowledge will chime in and help us out. Some of you may now about all the tranny problems that I have been facing and some may not. So here is my situation, After having my 4mil built I started having crazy shifting problems, couldnt shift under a load etc... So i did some research and found that HJR modifies stock tranny's So off went a tranny that I had laying around. I get the tranny back and It didn't help me at all, Now the bike was popping in and out of gear, popping into N etc.. And it was chewing up shifting forks like crazy. So I do some more research and come across this new WCR duneable extreme override that many people where raving about for awhile, we go ahead and order one from FAST, It has been sitting at SLEEPER06 house for some time now bc we are hesitant to run it with all the problems we are hearing about lately. And to be completely honest, Im not crazy about running a override in a trail/recreational bike anyways. I was hoping that some guys here could give us some tips on cutting a stock tranny to work for me. What mods can be done to a stock tranny so it will shift like it should. Im told that I'm around the 85hp range If you need some more details to help out just ask. Maybe Sleeper06 will post some pics of my shifting forks and the tranny that HJR cut for me. Maybe there is something that he missed while cutting, maybe he modified it to much. Maybe maybe maybe Who the hell knows, I just want my bike to shift damm gears. Tell me what options I have left and what we should do next? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 This is a tough pill to swallow...but 85HP is pushing the limits of the stock trans, even trail cut by HJR without an override. I can't see how that cut tore up the shift forks, however. In my opinion...it might be something else worn or not adjusted properly. I followed that thread about the extreme dunable. I'm surprised to hear of the troubles they're having. That cut on a tranny should shift MUCH better than a stock tranny in an 85HP, but there is no substitute for an override. I never could shift my 4 mil cub which dyno'd right where you are at, give or take a few HP. You could try an easy shift assembly, but if it trashed shift forks that bad, I think the problem might be somewhere else to be honest. Without seeing the parts AND knowing how you rode the bike, it's really hard to say! The overrides we've had come back ...just about all of them told me they backloaded the hell out of them to see how much abuse they can take. Well...it's only so much. I don't care how it's cut. You might have to throw a dunable override in there and just change the way you ride a little, less motor and more brakes to slow it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko2000 Posted March 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 I will try and get some pictures of the tranny that HJR cut and the shifting forks. I dont mind changing how I ride but Im real surprised with all the problems they are having. So you think a stock tranny modified is out of the question for me? You said to through a duneable in there, a extreme or the older style? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 i ran my 2-4 regular duneable for 4 years and never had an issue. i rode the shit out of that thing. i downshifted it without the clutch all the time. sometimes after a bad run id be pissed and stomp on the shift lever. when i tore it apart last year i had one shift fork with some wear on it. the other two were fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeper06 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 I just tried to upload pics but im having trouble with my comp.,ill have my wife try a lil later,.Ill be the first one to tell you joe is an animal on his shee.Im also getting tired of splitting his cases.His tranny was installed correctly and chewed up the forks due the back cuts on the sliders trying to push out of gear while freewheeling after letting off the gas.I spent alot of time examining all thes trannies side by side ,measuring and marking freeplay in each gear.I have all the tools to cut a tranny but maybe someone has suggestions on what works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRed350x Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Sent you a PM... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieat4strokes Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 I believe im in the market as well, think we even talked about the same issue....neways I cant get my drag ported FAST 4 mill to shift under load either....let me know what works for you, Im probally gonna end up getting a tranny from Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko2000 Posted March 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 .Ill be the first one to tell you joe is an animal on his shee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD1026 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 i can def second that. joe who are u kidding u ae gonna change ur riding . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKheathen Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 you can cut trannies?!?!?!?......'ole butty 'ole pal...... well, i was thinking on persuing cuttin my design of a woods override. i need to get one mapped out, but one of the biggest things i need to get right is the shift drum. other than that, allot of less, if you know what i mean, lol. are you running a standard star/spring in there? sounds like one of the problems is not enough pressure holding the drum in place, with it shifting on it's own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanYE west Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 are you running a standard star/spring in there? sounds like one of the problems is not enough pressure holding the drum in place, with it shifting on it's own Also, could be the way the star is cut. Could be ALOT of issues.. I was running 80hp on a stock trans and it shifted fine.. I'm gonna go with Dave on this one.. I think there is other issues in there other then the trans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeper06 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 I ran a drag ported bike on a stock trans and it shifted but some bikes dont want to.I put a stock star back in and the stock spring to stop it from jumping out of gear,nothing helped.The angle of the dogs caused this.Im going to cut wacko a trannie he can backload.Just bought a rotary table for my my mill to reshape the drum a lil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okbeast Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 I'm on a 4mil cub making at least 80 HP I'd think. I rode it this weekend, stock tranny, all over Little Sahara. Duning was great with it, shifted fine. Went to the drags and I'd say 7/10 races I'd miss a shift or something. It was usually against the bigger bikes where I was definitely giving it hell. It can be done, you just have to have everything adjusted properly and no worn out parts or anything. Something else is the issue here. Btw, what was the final decision on the new extreme override from WCR? Any issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeper06 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Yeah I can granny shift the bike (wackos bike) but who the hell wants that.I have a cub no overide that shifts fine in dirt but wont on the street,everything is new inside ,spared no expense,you still cant shift it,everybike is diffrent.The first time I got joes bike it was brand new motor from passion,ported assembled whole business,it wouldnt shift.I tore the motor down an put a tranny in from her jugs,it shifted but spit out gear,I took his easy spring off and went to a stock star still didnt help.So I figured go overide against joes wishes,now I have an overide sitting here that I wont put in because im not happy.I know other bikes shift but his does not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okbeast Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Yeah I definitely know it's bike to bike with the shifting. I'm still going to go to an override eventually just to pick up the bit that it will help. Doesn't look I'll be getting an extreme override anymore though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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