Bansh-eman Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 so youre saying that an extra rich fuel/oil mixture will have no bearing on how well the plugs burn it off? i dont believe that for a second. if what youre saying is true, then i should be able to run a fuel/oil mixture at 5:1 and it will have no affect on the plugs or how well the mix is burnt off. No what I am saying is that premix WILL properly burn at 24:1 as long as your jetted properly and will not cause fouling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bansh-eman Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) Oh and let me clarify that befor you try and add more words to what I said... That goes for oils similar to Yamalube (Semi Synthetics) People run 24:1 all the time without fouling. Hell I ran 24:1 before I knew anything about 2 strokes. Fouled probly two sets, then I rejeted and never fouled another (while running 24:1 that is) Look at your weedwackers, those things run 24:1 or more, how often do they foul plugs? I think I have a 8 year old weedwacker with the original plug in it, and it still runs. Edited January 28, 2010 by Bansh-eman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Oh and let me clarify that befor you try and add more words to what I said... That goes for oils similar to Yamalube (Semi Synthetics) People run 24:1 all the time without fouling. Hell I ran 24:1 before I knew anything about 2 strokes. Fouled probly two sets, then I rejeted and never fouled another (while running 24:1 that is) Look at your weedwackers, those things run 24:1 or more, how often do they foul plugs? I think I have a 8 year old weedwacker with the original plug in it, and it still runs. with all the "top shelf" oils out there, why would anyone run something that recommends you mix it at 24:1? that just doesnt make sense. you dont need a mix that rich in an atv or weedeater. i dont now and never have run 24:1 in my weedeaters. i run klotz at 50:1 in them. i always have. cost wise it doesnt even make sense to run a mix of 24:1. you can run a better oil at 50:1 and save money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bansh-eman Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Not sure why people do, but lots do. Like I said before I knew much about 2 stroke I did, becasue thats what was reccomended. Once I found out that I could lean it out alot and be ok I did. Is reccommending that much oil a marketing strategy? I don't know, but what I do know is it will burn fie without fouling if your jetted right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheesandrider Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) You had a leak or wrong jetting or something then. There is no way on earth running any premix oil at 24:1 that it was the cause of a bearing failure. I and many others have ran Yamalube for years with no issues. And We run it at 36:1 Everyone is entitled to thier opinion, but you are passing garbage info IMO. Fouling plugs has nothing to do with what brand oil your running. It is your jetting. If you kept fouling your plug, then you needed to lean your motor out. Plain and simple. First you say I had a leak, which would mean I was lean, they you say I was fouling plugs because of my mixture, which would mean I was rich. Which one of us is spreading misinformation. The bike was jetted perfectly and it ran for 1.5 years and the bearings on the crank failed, I had been running Yamalube the entire time. I put in a new crank, seals,new pistons, had it bored and the head cut and rechambered to repair the damage from the shrapnel and put it back together. I have been riding it for the past 18 years with no problems. I have done regular tear downs for maintenance and I did put another crank in it when I completly rebuilt the bike 10 years ago. This bike is an 89 that I bought new in 10/89 and the crank let go in 3/91. The entire bike got a ground up rebuild in1999. Ever since I repaired it from the first crank in 91 I have ran Klotz, either Benol or R50 and have not had any other problems with my bike or the Blaster my wife had (premix, no injector) or the Banshee we had to sell or the Banshee she has now. All of these bikes have been jetted perfectly and mine or my wife's bikes very rarely foul a plug with the Klotz. Edited January 28, 2010 by bansheesandrider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bansh-eman Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 I am sure your wise enough to figure out that the two items (fouled plugs, and bearing going where two differant topics. You never said that you fouled plugs when you first got it or 40 years down the road. You never said you fouled them when temps changed and you didnt rejet. So yes, one could have been cause by being too rich... then down the road you got a leak that casued the motor to blow... Is that too hard to understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bansh-eman Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Bearings can let go at any time. 1 hour into a rebuild or 15 years down th road. It could be becasue you have motor issues, or it could be a bad bearing if its on a new build. To say that Yamalube mixed 24:1 was the cause and after you changed oil it fixed your problem is passing false info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87sheerips Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Klots super techniplate, 32:1 never had an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheesandrider Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) Bearings can let go at any time. 1 hour into a rebuild or 15 years down th road. It could be becasue you have motor issues, or it could be a bad bearing if its on a new build. To say that Yamalube mixed 24:1 was the cause and after you changed oil it fixed your problem is passing false info. I understand that bearings can let go at any time. I have been a professional mechanic for over 25 years working in the agriculture, forestry, automotive, forklift, and trucking industries and have seen plenty of bearing failures. What I am saying is what I have observed- my bike has ALWAYS been jetted for the conditions, that I ran Yamalube for 1.5 years and lost a crank bearing during this time( if there was an air leak it probably would have melted a piston, but there was no air leak) and also fouled out lots of spark plugs during the entire time I ran Yamalube. I switched to Klotz and have ran it for 18+ years in a total of 4 different bikes,including the original 89, and have not lost any crank bearings with it nor do I foul nearly as many plugs. These are the facts that I have expierenced, you can draw your own conclusion, but I don't think Yamalube is any where near as good as Klotz and I don't think Klotz costs any more because you run it at 40:1 instead of 24 or 32:1 that the yamalube runs at. I also tried the Yamalube at 32:1(properly jetted) and did not notice any difference in the plug fouling. Edited January 28, 2010 by bansheesandrider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bansh-eman Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 I am sure there are more guys that have experianced the same results as you, but I haven't met anyone personally. Everyone I know that's used Yamalube hasnt had any issues, nor fouling that wasn't due to bad jetting. Like I said before, the Yamalube can be found almost anywhere. The Klotz can not. Even in San Diego no one carried Klotz. I had to either order it from Rocky Mountain or wait until we went riding with Jon at Sand Toys Unlimited and buy a gallon off him. So in the end the Klotz cost us more, and didn't offer any better results. That of course was on a gas bike. Now that I run alky, I have to pay the shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4strokekilla1987 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 i run pennzoil marine 2 stroke oil 32:1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheesandrider Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I am sure there are more guys that have experianced the same results as you, but I haven't met anyone personally. Everyone I know that's used Yamalube hasnt had any issues, nor fouling that wasn't due to bad jetting. Like I said before, the Yamalube can be found almost anywhere. The Klotz can not. Even in San Diego no one carried Klotz. I had to either order it from Rocky Mountain or wait until we went riding with Jon at Sand Toys Unlimited and buy a gallon off him. So in the end the Klotz cost us more, and didn't offer any better results. That of course was on a gas bike. Now that I run alky, I have to pay the shipping. I have yet to walk into a motorcycle shop that did not have R50 in a pint bottle. The local shop in my small town has it, every Yamaha dealer I've ever been in From the Oregon Dunes to St Anthony's dunes has it. My local shop even has it in the gallon jugs, but I can get it from Rocky Mountain cheaper, I usually add it to a large order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banshee Chad Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Bought my 06 new in July of 07, ran yamalube for the first year at 32:1. Shit got expensive and could only get in quarts. So I made the switch to klotz supertechniplate at 32:1, been running it since. Read a lot here and made the Decision to change. Plugs seem to be alot cleaner, and way less smoke and less unburnt clogging silencer packing. Plus klotz smells delicious to both me and those following me. Like bubble gum almost, like mixing 99 bananas and tampico oj. Use it in weedeater also. Run the pure Polaris stuff in wifes trailblazer, oil injected. Damn thing hardley smokes, I always wondered what it mixes at, read and most say 50:1. Runs like a champ tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlasterKX Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 32:1 Golden Spectro.never had a problem. buddy of mine runs 32:1 caseys 2 stroke oil for 4 years now with no problems. guess you dont have to have the top shelf stuff. i wouldnt mind trying castor 927 but not for 18 bucks a qt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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