ELKARACING_SHEE Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 well guys i just received my set of old school PT high rev pipes and their beautiful. They also have some carbon build up around the cylinder area ( where the pipes go in the motor) which i think might be the problem, first of all any suggestions on how to get that carbon build up out? and the mid pipes dont quite seem to fit?? What i mean is that the frame from the a-arms i kinda stopping them from getting in, but then again, the dont fully go on the cylinder hole, any suggestions on that? Ill post some pics of them later,thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVAGE420 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Stick a shit load of oven cleaner inside the pipes then plug the ends and shake it all around for a lil while and let sit for a half hour to an hour. Then shake it again and unplug and drain then rinse with water. Try your darnedest to not get it on the outside of the pipes. Lightly grease/lube up the o-rings at the bottom of the pipes with your finger, any kind is fine. Then stick the pipes on the exhaust port opening and wiggle them around till they go on as much as you can, ( yes you will need some muscles some times as some are stubborn as all hell) then grab your springs and stick them on. I stick them on the motor side first then i use needle nose vise grips to stretch them and get them on the pipe tabs (yes theres a lil tool for this but why waist $10 on one when needle nose pliers work good). You should Have to force them on and they Should be a bitch to get the springs on, harder to get on the better, so that will snug the pipes up to the cyl fully. If your springs go on real easy, then there too worn out, so get 4 new springs, there cheep. Also if the o-rings are worn, cracked or have a decent flat spot, replace them now since there off, then they wont leak. Again there cheep. Just twist and turn the pipes every which way till you find the way they go in from the side, every style of pipes kinda go in diff,. They will go, just you will find the way by turning and twisting them around till they go. After that the stinger tubes will line up good. So why is it "shame on you"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELKARACING_SHEE Posted November 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Stick a shit load of oven cleaner inside the pipes then plug the ends and shake it all around for a lil while and let sit for a half hour to an hour. Then shake it again and unplug and drain then rinse with water. Try your darnedest to not get it on the outside of the pipes. Lightly grease/lube up the o-rings at the bottom of the pipes with your finger, any kind is fine. Then stick the pipes on the exhaust port opening and wiggle them around till they go on as much as you can, ( yes you will need some muscles some times as some are stubborn as all hell) then grab your springs and stick them on. I stick them on the motor side first then i use needle nose vise grips to stretch them and get them on the pipe tabs (yes theres a lil tool for this but why waist $10 on one when needle nose pliers work good). You should Have to force them on and they Should be a bitch to get the springs on, harder to get on the better, so that will snug the pipes up to the cyl fully. If your springs go on real easy, then there too worn out, so get 4 new springs, there cheep. Also if the o-rings are worn, cracked or have a decent flat spot, replace them now since there off, then they wont leak. Again there cheep. Just twist and turn the pipes every which way till you find the way they go in from the side, every style of pipes kinda go in diff,. They will go, just you will find the way by turning and twisting them around till they go. After that the stinger tubes will line up good. So why is it "shame on you"? the shame on me part, is because, after i posted this post, i went down stairs to try and get them on. SAD thing they dont fit. Since they are the old school PT's unfortunatly they are for the j-arm frame, which means im fucked. I got the a-arm frame so that is what is stopping them from getting in. I will try tomorrow, to get them in by unscrewing the engine, and lifting the front side of the engine up, and that will hopefully allow the pipes to go in.... And when i let the engine down, hope fully that will trap them in and i can bolt them in. So anyone got anybetter ideas?? i love these pipes, and i really want to see em bolted in. BTW im going to see a 87' banshee this weeked, which is with the j-arm frame. My dad apparantly wants a shee now, so we found this 87 for a good price. but is still want to bolt these pipes on mine, and help would greatly be appreciated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydownunder Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 farken spew!!. J arm conversion . not much you can do man, throw them on the 87 you got coming and swap bikes with ya dad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVAGE420 Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 farken spew!!. J arm conversion . not much you can do man, throw them on the 87 you got coming and swap bikes with ya dad. There the same through the years the pipes. Hes not turning and twisting them and the bars to get them in properly....fail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELKARACING_SHEE Posted November 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 farken spew!!. J arm conversion . not much you can do man, throw them on the 87 you got coming and swap bikes with ya dad. my dad dont really care that one has a brand new crank and top end, i think mine needs a top end too, so im going to have to do that, but ill have to check the compression for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black sunshine Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 As Savage said, try a little more to get them on. Sometimes turning the handlebars is all it takes. If need be, pop the a-arms loose. Could be as your saying, though, with them being built for J-Arm frames, IDK. From experience with other manufacturers, they waste no room and install is often difficult. As far as cleaning the pipes, do as Savage recommended but throw a handful of stainless nuts and/or bolts in with the mix; just make sure you get them all out!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELKARACING_SHEE Posted November 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 here are some pics, the pipes keep hitting on the a-arm frame, which i cant bend or take it off since its welded to the frame.... BTW the a-arms are taken off the bike and everything... This pic was taken from the left side, to show how it hits the frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shogs Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Heres a picture of them on my bike with the pipe hangers I used from the fmf fatties I used to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 I didn't know PTR changed their design between the J-arm and A-arm frames. Iv never heard that before. Where did you get that info from ? Has anyone else here at bhq heard of that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVAGE420 Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 I didn't know PTR changed their design between the J-arm and A-arm frames. Iv never heard that before. Where did you get that info from ? Has anyone else here at bhq heard of that ? They didn't. There the same, just like i said 50 times to him, hes not doing it correct..hell its not even hitting the upper a-arm even close anyways.....I would get them in in 10 mins as could other peeps. I got a $100 on it. If they did change anything, its nothing extreme to not let them fit ALL banshees....... I gave up an hour ago trying to help in the shouter. If all else fails it's BFH time. J/K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 Have you tried the 'freeze-butter method' ? When I installed my PTR mids I had the same problems. What ya have to do is put the pipes in your freezer, this will shrink down the pipe ever-so-slightly. Keep the pipes in the freezer overnight. Now get a stick of butter ready and as soon as they come out of the freezer rub the butter all over on the pipe. Have your quad standing in the wheelie position when you go to install the pipes, it makes it a lot easier. The combination of the frozen\shrunken pipe molecules, the butter and standing the bike vertical will make the job easier. Sometimes PTR's fit right in, but sometimes they don't, and thats when the freeze-butter method comes in handy. Good luck and take some pictures of the process. forget to add.... rub the frame rails down with the butter too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewski Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 'Meat' '27 November 2009 - 11:25 PMHave you tried the 'freeze-butter method' ? When I installed my PTR mids I had the same problems. What ya have to do is put the pipes in your freezer, this will shrink down the pipe ever-so-slightly. Keep the pipes in the freezer overnight. Now get a stick of butter ready and as soon as they come out of the freezer rub the butter all over on the pipe. Have your quad standing in the wheelie position when you go to install the pipes, it makes it a lot easier. The combination of the frozen\shrunken pipe molecules, the butter and standing the bike vertical will make the job easier. Sometimes PTR's fit right in, but sometimes they don't, and thats when the freeze-butter method comes in handy. Good luck and take some pictures of the process. forget to add.... rub the frame rails down with the butter too. yea I have heard that work well for some pipes.......If I were you elka, I would certaily give it a shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtydownunder Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 toomey told me to do the same with my T5's, but i got them in without doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR101 Posted November 28, 2009 Report Share Posted November 28, 2009 yeh had trouble with my cpis not fitting so i tryed this... and hell it worked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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