Can i beat him?

[99bansheeboy]

Your fucking with me right. I'm gonna give Bansheeb0y5505 some time to responed.

 

That is if his history teacher lets get on the computer or maybe his mom when he is done doing his homework. LOL.

 

no im being serious...and im 15 and im in school to so i take offence LOL jk...but seriously if were riding banshees as our quads...think what were going to have at your age ! i hope they make a 2 stroke street bike

[stclark816]

Ok, well I tried to post the "popcorn smiley" but it red xed me...

 

(This is me sitting here eating popcorn watching the war)

[dajogejr]

no im being serious...and im 15 and im in school to so i take offence LOL jk...but seriously if were riding banshees as our quads...think what were going to have at your age ! i hope they make a 2 stroke street bike

 

They uh....did...a long time ago. Probably when you were still a little glint in your daddy's eye.

 

Look up an RZ350 or RD400...

 

Bahh...nevermind. Here.

 

http://images.google.com/images?q=RD400&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_en___US232&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=WCeYStyONIK6Nayj7K4F&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&safe=active

[99bansheeboy]

They uh....did...a long time ago. Probably when you were still a little glint in your daddy's eye.

 

Look up an RZ350 or RD400...

 

Bahh...nevermind. Here.

 

http://images.google.com/images?q=RD400&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_en___US232&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=WCeYStyONIK6Nayj7K4F&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&safe=active

 

yes i know they made old 2 stroke street bikes and the RZ350 has the same motor as a banshee...i was talking about making a modern like 600cc 2 stroke street bike

[grizzly700]

im with daj and sandman. these two fucks obviously know nothing and just want to argue apparently. that graph is shit and the 1 into 2 carb is killin himm along with those pipes. im sying DS will win unless the rider is shit. i wouldn think you would even win a long race bc of the carb and pipe setup as well as the 18in tires and smaller front sprocket. i would say this DS is gonna beat on you from the dig on out. sorry.

 

its good to know that you have your banshee set up for wat you like tho, and not just trying to be fast. good luck and take a video camera so we can all see wat happens. now im gonna join stephen and watch this daj tear this kid a new asshole lol

 

and by two fucks i mean the bansheeboys' and the popo guy. not the thread starter.

Edited August 28, 2009 by grizzly700

[dajogejr]

Nah...I'm all good.

I know the score...

[slopoke]

Don't get me wrong I love my banshee. But I think the deal is the money to power ratio. It take less money to make a 2 stroke faster. with unlimited funds on a thumper and a 2 stroke the thumper will win. With same riders. As far as a modern day 600 cc r6 2stroke i can imagine what would happen coming through a hairpin and the thing all of a sudden hits its sweet spot.... ba ba ba bbawwaaaaa. I am in south ms there guy. You bring a piped only shee with a 2 n 2 1 carb and some chrome and i'll run you title for tile with my little ole 450. Now yall dont get the wrong idea here...not saying it is all that but I have beaten piped shees regularly. Then we can can take a stroll through the woods and see if you can keep up. Its all in fun Now a shee with a few mods i can't do anything with. My "graph" shows my 450r at 50hp. But it is all usable

[Jhughes7]

Don't get me wrong I love my banshee. But I think the deal is the money to power ratio. It take less money to make a 2 stroke faster. with unlimited funds on a thumper and a 2 stroke the thumper will win. With same riders. As far as a modern day 600 cc r6 2stroke i can imagine what would happen coming through a hairpin and the thing all of a sudden hits its sweet spot.... ba ba ba bbawwaaaaa. I am in south ms there guy. You bring a piped only shee with a 2 n 2 1 carb and some chrome and i'll run you title for tile with my little ole 450. Now yall dont get the wrong idea here...not saying it is all that but I have beaten piped shees regularly. Then we can can take a stroll through the woods and see if you can keep up. Its all in fun Now a shee with a few mods i can't do anything with. My "graph" shows my 450r at 50hp. But it is all usable

 

 

The bolded part is completely and utterly wrong.

[slopoke]

you may be utterly wrong.

[Bansheeb0y5505]

Yeah, I may be 15, but don't start criticizing my intelligence because of it. I fucking hate that shit. Age doesn't mean dog shit if you actually know what you're talking about. I, and many other adults who actually KNOW me, consider me to be very mature and mechanically inclined for my age. I work on all my own quads and know how to rebuild any engine down to the cases. My only weak point is carbs and even then I'm starting to learn more about them. So cut that shit out.

 

Moron you want to know why the 600cc streetbikes are so much faster and so much more horsepower? Any idiot can tell you that. COMPLETELY different designs. An inline 4 will generally run much more power, and almost have a 2-stroke like hit but more broad. A 600 is four 125cc cylinders, which not only allows them to rev much faster, but they can pull higher rpm's and there is much more fireing. Instead of only having one piston firing every fourth stroke, you have a 4-pistons all firing at different strokes.

 

That's also why you can't get that much horsepower out of a 450. WITHOUT any power adders (Turbo, nitrous, etc) they can only peak out between 65-70hp. And that's with every aftermarket engine internal and part you can buy. Still nowhere near 600cc streetbike territory.

 

Manufacturer's don't put this in ATV's because it's TOO DAMN HEAVY. I-4's are very wide and too heavy to make use in an ATV chassis.

 

That's the key difference between banshee's and 450's, or any 4-stroke for that matter. There is so many possibilties for them and I bet even Daj would agree on this. You can make a 100hp banshee easily, and still be slightly more reliable then a completely maxed out 450.

 

Raptor 700's are a different story. You can get them into the 80-90 horsepower range. But that also requires 804 kits and such which is 350cc more then a 450. Banshee's still have more potential.

 

2-strokes for life, 2-strokes forever. What people don't seem to understand here, is I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST FOUR STROKES!!!! I have a 400ex for christ sake. They have come so far and gotten so much more advanced. But they are not my cup of tea and never will be. That's my own opinion.

 

Actually, 2-strokes ARE making a comeback. These manuf. are realizing the ability of 2-strokes. KTM is coming out with that 1000cc two-stroke streetbike. They use fuel injection and direct-injected oil. Keeps the oil seperate from the gas. That 1000cc V4 motor makes 200hp stock and KTM claims that it's still fairly understressed.

 

The E-Tec outboards are all 2-stroke and produce less emissions then similar sized 4-strokes, and make more power.

 

I think you'll see more and more companies turning to 2-strokes. According to the article the only company that wants nothing to do with 2-strokes is Honda.

[slopoke]

Kid not being mean here but you need to quit believing everything you read on the computer, like them graphs, and get some experience. Djr has alot of knowlege and has a bit more seat time. Pay attention and you may learn some "real" info.

[Bansheeb0y5505]

Sorry, went off on a little of a rampage before.

 

I do not believe everything I read on the computer. Almost everything I know about engines I learned BY MYSELF or from my father, who's also very very mechanically inclined and actually ran ATV repair for a while.

 

I posted that graph for a reason. I KNOW dyno jets are innaccurate, and read a little high. But it proved my point about a stock bolt-on shee being in the 45hp ballpark. I KNOW there's more factors, like wind, terrain, tires, everything. But I also know from experience that a bolt-on banshee has no trouble in most cases staying even with bolt on 450's and sometimes even being a little faster. And no it's not because they're shit riders.

 

I honestly can't stand that shit. Just because im 15 (well actually 16 really soon) I'm automatically labeled a moron and know nothing. I'm automatically inexperienced and learn everything off the computer. This is NOT the case. I learn what I know from experience and working on things. I'm always asking questions when im working on something with guidance, and I always try my hardest to understand engine's. And I can honestly tell you, I believe I know enough to run an ATV shop for all kinds of repairs. I'm not a moron. I know there's a lot of tools on the internet that think powerbands are a materialistic object, and 2-strokes have cams, but I'm not one of them. And I hate being labeled one.

 

I understand ALL the details of how a 4-stroke and a 2-stroke engine work. I can explain the sonic wave theory on why and how the expansion chamber pipe makes a 2-stroke run.

 

I don't go around spitting out facts for the hell of it without ANY knowledge on the subject.

 

Hell, on another site I saved someones banshee. The guy was new to 2-strokes and was having a bunch of problems. I was able to help him get his banshee tuned in and running perfect all by myself OVER THE INTERNET.

 

The point to all this, is all I ask is a little respect. I WAS a little stupid kid at one point. And these days I see why people got angry with me. But i've been a motorhead my whole life and riding for a long time.

 

The whole banshee vs ds650 thing, maybe his banshee set up for trails won't do it, but I still believe a healthy banshee with a quality set of mid-top end pipes with higher compression and an uncorked airbox setup, WILL beat a DS. That's my opinion and everyone has one.

 

Sorry to be a thread jacker and turn this into a giant bitching fest. Can we all be cool now? We can all believe what we want. That's why it's called an opinion.

[sandman81]

99bansheeboy you get mad because people assume that your a moron cuz your 15, for the record we never said you were a moron. Your age and intelligence is going to be proven.

 

You said,

"A healthy banshee with just an exhaust system and intake is about the same. 44-45hp give or take........ Add in the 19cc compression domes, and Im willing to bet that motor he has is capable of around 49-50hp."

 

Dajogejr tryed to tell you,

"Show me a non-ported banshee with pipes, a 1-2 carb and 19cc domes that will make 49-50HP. IMPOSSIBLE. PERIOD".

 

Then you went and posted some bullshit ass dynojet graph of a banshee that was pull 50hp.

 

You said,

"I KNOW dyno jets are innaccurate, and read a little high. But it proved my point about a stock bolt-on shee being in the 45hp ballpark".

 

You didn't prove anything, all you did was agree that dynojets are bullshit.

 

OK and the reason for my r6 comment. You where trying to say that 4 stroke technology was at its max. If you new so much about engine you would know that that is not true. R6 engine are far more technological advance then a yfz450 let alone a raptor 700. R6 cranks are solid and not pieced together, they don't have ballbearing or neadle bearing, or due the camshafts, so they can handle higher rpms. They have a better cooling system, have direct port injectors allows for better atomizing of the air and fuel. The yfz450r is throttle body.

 

Just so you know these companies don't give a flying fuck about there atv technology all there technology is put to the r6 and r1, why because there more money to be made in MOTO Racing then all the rest. Think about this why some 450 can keep up if not beat a 600 or 700 atv but yet there 150 to 250cc.

 

So you know, your math was off 600cc divded by 4 is 150 cc each.

 

And what you said about 1000cc KTM street bike with fuel injected and direct injection two stroke making a come back, haven't seen it so if you have a site I can check it out send it my way, there is a snowmobile not sure who makes it but does the same shit.

 

I don't care how smart you think you are for your age, you're not as smart as you think, not talking shit just stating the facts. Anybody will tell you, that when they were younger they thought they new more.

 

And what fuckin piss me off is dont ask us to not criticize your intelligence and then have you come on here and run your fuckin mouth by talking shit to members that are simply trying to help you out. So you chill the fuck out.

 

Had to get the last comment out of my system.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Shit forgot to mention, daj doesn't need to agree with you about the 100hp banshee. I can, my banshee.

Edited August 29, 2009 by sandman81

[sandman81]

r6 has better power to weight ratio?? why can it beat it ????

 

The reason I thought you were fucking with me a 700 raptor and a r6 almost weght the same 8 pounds off. Depends on what year r6 but around 100hp to 123hp, yamaha claims.

[dajogejr]

99...

You do seem to have a better level of maturity than most kids. That's a good start.

Only experience will round you out....and as you know, you can't get that from behind a keyboard....

 

I'm just going to have to disagree about the DS/banshee thing.

 

If the kid on the banshee beats him, so be it...good for him.

 

I'm sure there's a DS forum somewhere that they're laughing at us on....big deal.

 

A lot of times, these "who will win" threads never pan out. All they have to do is race...period. that solves it.

 

To be honest, that's why I like riding a track. Lights and timers. Obviouly, they could malfunction, but way more often than not....the lights and timers don't lie.

You jump...you red light, etc. Levels the playing field so to speak.