drunkietheclown Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 can i run methyl hydrate as a fuel in my banshee? it's used to 94 and will not run on 92. methanol is 113 octane so would it be safe? insides are milled head and Wiseco high compression pistons. don't exactly want to blow the damn thing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireHead Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 can i run methyl hydrate as a fuel in my banshee? it's used to 94 and will not run on 92. methanol is 113 octane so would it be safe? insides are milled head and Wiseco high compression pistons. don't exactly want to blow the damn thing up. What is the source of the methyl hydrate that you want to use? If you have found some intended for IC engine fuel, you will need to rejet for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanYE west Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 just dont go on any long trips.. you'll burn through a tank before you know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowit Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) It is my understanding that Methyl Hydrate is a fabbed up word for diluted Methanol with water. If you are buying something that says Methyl Hydrate, it would be a good idea to check the actual concentration level. Methanol is very funny regarding octane because it's octane does not account for the latent heating effects of the fuel. The fuel uses energy in the form of heat when it is transformed from a liquid to a gas (most obvious in refrigerants for ACs). This is obvious by the drastically lowered engine operating temps. This is partly why Methanol can handle much higher comp ratios than are typically calculated. 20:1 is not uncommon. Because of the oxygen content of Methanol, you will need to jet WAY up to run the fuel. If you are not experienced with it, I recommend staying away. It can be difficult to use. If you require only 94 octane and cannot get it, I recommend either blending 10% race fuel or lowering comp ratio or ignition advance to run the lower octanes. By the way, where do you get "wiseco high comp pistons"? B Edited July 13, 2009 by blowit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireHead Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 It is my understanding that Methyl Hydrate is a fabbed up word for diluted Methanol with water. If you are buying something that says Methyl Hydrate, it would be a good idea to check the actual concentration level. Methanol is very funny regarding octane because it's octane does not account for the latent heating effects of the fuel. The fuel uses energy in the form of heat when it is transformed from a liquid to a gas (most obvious in refrigerants for ACs). This is obvious by the drastically lowered engine operating temps. This is partly why Methanol can handle much higher comp ratios than are typically calculated. 20:1 is not uncommon. Because of the oxygen content of Methanol, you will need to jet WAY up to run the fuel. If you are not experienced with it, I recommend staying away. It can be difficult to use. If you require only 94 octane and cannot get it, I recommend either blending 10% race fuel or lowering comp ratio or ignition advance to run the lower octanes. By the way, where do you get "wiseco high comp pistons"? B Methyl Hydrate is commonly used in remote heating / A/C equipment and EC engines. I do not feel like it is an appropriate fuel for a Banshee. I actually have a set of Wiseco Low Compression pistons I can hook you up with. They have custom EDM'ed (by the spark plugs) compression release holes in the cent of the piston. :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowit Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I actually have a set of Wiseco Low Compression pistons I can hook you up with. They have custom EDM'ed (by the spark plugs) compression release holes in the cent of the piston. :thumbsup: :yelrotflmao: I already gots me a few of those around here.... They work pretty good. Even have some of the "deep dish" variety. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drunkietheclown Posted July 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 i can get 94, and i do run it. but i was just wondering if methyl hydrate(99%methanol) would have any noticeable increase in horsepower. the previous owner also said he ran avgas in it without it buggeringup. so I'd like to get my hands on some of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowit Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 i can get 94, and i do run it. but i was just wondering if methyl hydrate(99%methanol) would have any noticeable increase in horsepower. the previous owner also said he ran avgas in it without it buggeringup. so I'd like to get my hands on some of that. AV gas is totally different and maintains properties of gasoline so jetting will be close. Methanol (aka, Methyl Hydrate), as mentioned, will require serious carb mods to run. As also mentioned, if you are not familiar with running alky, do not mess with it. I have plenty of experience with all alkies, Nitro, propane, you name it. Unless you "love" to work on your bike and get every ounce out of it, don;t bother. Better to get some porting, cylinders, head, pipes, etc, and enjoy. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireHead Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 AV gas is totally different and maintains properties of gasoline so jetting will be close. Methanol (aka, Methyl Hydrate), as mentioned, will require serious carb mods to run. As also mentioned, if you are not familiar with running alky, do not mess with it. I have plenty of experience with all alkies, Nitro, propane, you name it. Unless you "love" to work on your bike and get every ounce out of it, don;t bother. Better to get some porting, cylinders, head, pipes, etc, and enjoy. B I am not sure I would start calling methanol and methyl hydrate the same thing (even though they technically are). You can get methyl hydrate from a paint store, and it definitely not the same thing as a motor fuel. :geek: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowit Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I am not sure I would start calling methanol and methyl hydrate the same thing (even though they technically are). You can get methyl hydrate from a paint store, and it definitely not the same thing as a motor fuel. :geek: For the scope of this discussion, I think it is safe to consider them the same. The OP is asking if he can "just dump it in the tank and make more power" and obviously alkys take more than that to run properly. My understanding of Methyl Hydrate is that it was fabbed up by a chemical company for parts cleaner since they technically can not call it Methanol if it only has say 30% in it. Much like paint thinner is usually diluted mineral spirit, exylene, acetone, etc. Guess I would like to get some clarity myself. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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