Gshock Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 I was just wondering if welding the rod ball is very common for a 60-70 hp Banshee. Or is this more of a problem for higher horse power Banshees. I have never seen this happen before. I am going to Little Sahara on spring break and running 10 paddle haulers with a 13 tooth front sprocket. Was just wondering if I really need to change to a pancake bearing for a preventitave repair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIM_Whiteboy4life Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 I was just wondering if welding the rod ball is very common for a 60-70 hp Banshee. Or is this more of a problem for higher horse power Banshees. I have never seen this happen before. I am going to Little Sahara on spring break and running 10 paddle haulers with a 13 tooth front sprocket. Was just wondering if I really need to change to a pancake bearing for a preventitave repair? It can happen to anyone, I just heard it happens when your coasting to a stop with the clutch pulled in. This is were high HP bikes come in or any bike with an override since they make it a habit to pull the clutch in to keep from back loading. If your worried its cheap insureance or you can just get the ceramic ball but idk who sells them anymore... :shrug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gshock Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 So is the pancake bearing mainly for an over ride clutch? I am running a stock style clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIM_Whiteboy4life Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) So is the pancake bearing mainly for an over ride clutch? I am running a stock style clutch. An override clutch is a stock style clutch no change. So the pancake bearing can work on either or. Its highly recommended if you have an override tho. Edited March 21, 2009 by LIM_Whiteboy4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesw Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 basically if your going ballz out and pull the clutch in to coast it will happen eventually or coasting down a hill or whatever any time the tires are spinning a lot and you pull the clutch in for some time. dynos are bad on them just have to watch what your doing. guys with overrides pull in clutch to save forks but most have a bearing already in them. just put one in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPEN Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Yeah I have heard of it happening with standard trans and clutches just as much as or if not more than overrides.. Only reason Overrides would be more common is like Wes said, people tring to avoid back loading.. Then again most guys that far into the game usualy have the sence to put in a pancake bearing. Like Wes said, its cheap insurance regaurdless of set-up.. RIPPEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowit Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 It can happen to anyone, I just heard it happens when your coasting to a stop with the clutch pulled in. This is were high HP bikes come in or any bike with an override since they make it a habit to pull the clutch in to keep from back loading. If your worried its cheap insureance or you can just get the ceramic ball but idk who sells them anymore... :shrug: You are spot on. HP of the bike has nothing to do with it. Pressure plate force has everything to do with it. Coasting at a high MPH with the clutch pulled in is a worst case scenario. A large delta of trans rpm and engine rpm is a bad thing. Guys on inertial dynos kill them ALL the time because they are instructed to run up to max, then pull the clutch and coast down. Many cheapy dynos do not even have a disc brake to slow the roller so it can take some time to slow down all while super heating that ball. I agree, pancake = good idea but probably not needed for the every day dune bike. I have only killed them on a dyno. The ceramic ball only masks the problem because you are still looking at a small frictional surface area. The pancake "spreads the love" over a larger surface area thus not heating up as bad. Brandon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locogato11283 Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 my brother did it on a standard tranny with no lockup.. pancake is cheap insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00tbanshee Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 just like loco said, it has happen to me with stock tranny and no overide.after you have to split the cases to fix something like that, spending the money for one is well worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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