dajogejr Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Dan builds some of the fastest shit, period. The reason that stands is because his motors, and often him, are at the large, national events. He's at Sand Mountain on big weekends with a lot of competition.....not the court jesters. Being local to me as well, I have a lot of friends that go to A&S. Mostly average cubs, a twister or two. Total Hit and miss. Nice guy at the track, his work speaks for itself no doubt. Here's the thing....I'm not saying Jeff or Kevin or anyone else for that matter can't build engines as fast or as well. But they gotta get to the races with the big dogs. I'm gonna help with that... When I say hit or miss...some guys say he'll pick up the phone everytime and/or call you back quickly. Guys like BansheeDan (and they are 100% legitimate remarks) say IF...IF he calls you back, IF he ever gets done with your motor... Being local to Dan and knowing the fast motors he builds, I'd love to have one of his builds. I'm not willing to take the risk of maybe having to wait...maybe not. Maybe getting the motor in a month or two, maybe not. I know it's an open ended answer, but it's the fairest and most honest I could be. I'm a FAST and Herr Juggs nut swinger, so that means they call me back and/or answer the phone when I call. I just wish I could be in the bigred/gregrob racing nut swinging circle....they are the only true innovators in this sport, and a class act to boot. They were custom making bikes and using Duct tape long before it was the cool thing to do.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 can i ask you a qustion i havent really have herd of these other shops other than herr jugs how many people do they have working at there shop dan is a lone man over there i just dont under stand what your thinking if dan gets 1 motor done theres another 3 at his door last year when i went to pick up my cub his shop was filled with motors like atleast 30 and he said this was only the begining AND ILL TELL YOU THIS if dan could could have great customer service he would do it in a flash this man loves to help uyot with any qustions i ever had and for his 20%? how about a 392 cub making 91 hp ( with a race port ) witch costed me only 150$ for him to do the porting after the dyno and all the other stuff i paid 1100 $ and it was 100% woth it FAST is a lone man for porting, he has a guy helping fill mail/phone orders, shipping, etc. Herr Juggs is the same, solo... RDZ is the same, solo...(and he is very good friends with Dan Hull A&S as well, but you already know that....) I don't know if Cameron at Redline is a solo act. Nice guy though. Not sure about K&T either, but Kim is pretty cool as well. A cleaned up 392 cub on gas will make 91HP on Dan's dyno all day long. He is known to have a generous dyno...the real measure is how that cub does against others of similar builds/setups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tt_bansheerida Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 (edited) FAST is a lone man for porting, he has a guy helping fill mail/phone orders, shipping, etc. Herr Juggs is the same, solo... RDZ is the same, solo...(and he is very good friends with Dan Hull A&S as well, but you already know that....) I don't know if Cameron at Redline is a solo act. Nice guy though. Not sure about K&T either, but Kim is pretty cool as well. A cleaned up 392 cub on gas will make 91HP on Dan's dyno all day long. He is known to have a generous dyno...the real measure is how that cub does against others of similar builds/setups. i dident know all thos shops were solo as well at that time i had sst's on my bike and stock carbs i havent got it dynod with my cpi's or new crabs but like you said its a open ended qustion and like i said if u bring them to dan he will do a good job mabey just not as fast getting them back Edited March 13, 2009 by tt_bansheerida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave I. Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 My local guy kicks ass at customer service and engine building. :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DopeyTripod Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Bottom line for this whole thread. A&S does GREAT work, cant fault the guy on that. his turn around time and cust. service over the phone sucks ass. only cuz he wont pick up the phone. but if yur lucky enough to get him on the phone he will spend all day with you on the phone and go into detail too. I really cant blame the guy for not answering his phone cuz prolly 75% of the time its stupid ass ??'s and people trying to pick his brain and get FREE info from him. thats how he makes his $$$. cant fault the guy for that either. hell, Fro here (grovesmotorsports.com) gets over 150-200(not exagerating) calls a day from stupid fucks with stupid ?'s. he answers them ALL, wich I think is dumb but he does it anyway. then people call and wonder why there shit isnt done or orderd. I dont think alot of people understand the bench time it really does take to do a top notch job. wether its porting or just a basic tune up. Not to mention the dumb fucks that actually come in and want to "chat" with the man like he has spare time. Christ, I had to make a topic to find out what a lockup and override was and Fro is only 100 feet from me. I know he knows like its 2+2 math, but he's busy with people from ding to dawn. maybe one day unicef will get into the motorsports business and all this will be free of charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tt_bansheerida Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Bottom line for this whole thread. A&S does GREAT work, cant fault the guy on that. his turn around time and cust. service over the phone sucks ass. only cuz he wont pick up the phone. but if yur lucky enough to get him on the phone he will spend all day with you on the phone and go into detail too. I really cant blame the guy for not answering his phone cuz prolly 75% of the time its stupid ass ??'s and people trying to pick his brain and get FREE info from him. thats how he makes his $$$. cant fault the guy for that either. hell, Fro here (grovesmotorsports.com) gets over 150-200(not exagerating) calls a day from stupid fucks with stupid ?'s. he answers them ALL, wich I think is dumb but he does it anyway. then people call and wonder why there shit isnt done or orderd. I dont think alot of people understand the bench time it really does take to do a top notch job. wether its porting or just a basic tune up. Not to mention the dumb fucks that actually come in and want to "chat" with the man like he has spare time. Christ, I had to make a topic to find out what a lockup and override was and Fro is only 100 feet from me. I know he knows like its 2+2 math, but he's busy with people from ding to dawn. maybe one day unicef will get into the motorsports business and all this will be free of charge. well put i just got off the phone with dan to order rear hubs, sproket hub, brake cliper, and read brak hub, he said he has 4 months for work ahead of him soo you wont have very much luck getting them done summer LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DopeyTripod Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 well put i just got off the phone with dan to order rear hubs, sproket hub, brake cliper, and read brak hub, he said he has 4 months for work ahead of him soo you wont have very much luck getting them done summer LOL When your the #1 guy in the world, yur gonna have e few haters. :biggrin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanYE west Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 My local guy kicks ass at customer service and engine building. :thumbsup: Yep, He's also another Solo engine builder! I had my last build back in 2 weeks after it left my door in MI!! and I didn't even buy the cylinders from him! Thats top notch service and he very easy to get ahold of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 maybe one day unicef will get into the motorsports business and all this will be free of charge. Until then, I'm the man to come and see.... LOL...love that quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony cub Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 his 100%? youre out of your mind. first off, youre not getting 100% with any builder. they save the latest and greatest tricks for their personal bikes, which is totally understandable. second, his customer service is shit. what % do you give that? you might get some good running cylinders if you wanna wait 6 or 7 months, by which time the newest shit will be out. you cant wait around for 6 months in this sport or itll pass you by. i can name 3 builders right now that will give you their 95%. that last 5 is their secret shit. fast redline herr thats quality, customer service and phone time. these guys go above and beyond to make sure your shit is right. they give follow up calls and spend time on the phone with you to see what you want. i challenge your a&s and say that he probably gives you 20%. i've used Cam to build my first motor, 4mill cub,ask for a drag port and got a clean up jod..at the time i didnt know much about port timmings and everything looked great till i got that thing to the track and was doing 7.2s in the 1/8..my friend also had Cam build his 10mill dm and got the same thing.... Cam is a great guy and like everyone else that has tons of work ,he cant answer the phone all the time.. i buy most of all my stuff from him,but will never have him do any porting for me again over the years i've seen great port jobs a some shity ones..and after getting my #s down i do my own shit..and have time slips to back up my work ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00tbanshee Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 No builder gives 100%.. They keep their trump card for their own bikes. sorry man i am going to have to call you out on this one.i have known kevin herr for i'd say 4 yrs now and i am 100% sure that he will build you the same motor as he would be running on his.i think that might be one of the reasons why he has such great feedback with the performance of his motors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FASTOYS Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I too have had several of our customer motors whip my butt and even pulled my own motor and sold it on the spot several times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banshee332 Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Steve kabina Has a passion racing 4mill cub, something happened to it at the racing the one week and needed replated, he was running again the following race because Jim pulled off his 4mill cub cylinder from his personal bike and sent it to steve, I would consider that 100% and some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanYE west Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 sorry man i am going to have to call you out on this one.i have known kevin herr for i'd say 4 yrs now and i am 100% sure that he will build you the same motor as he would be running on his.i think that might be one of the reasons why he has such great feedback with the performance of his motors Go ahead, Call me out all you want.... I got my opinion and no one will change it. I STILL think builders put more effort/time into their personal/shop bikes and their sponsored riders/friends builds then the average joe blow build... I can give lots of examples.. but the open forum isn't the place for that. If anyone happens to catch me in chat I'd be more then happy to explain myself. But its not needed for me to write a novel here about this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 I'll word this a different way... Within a short time frame of getting your motor, you may have the very best the builder could offer. Maybe, maybe not. But....for example, if your builder runs the same motor you do...it's a helluva lot easier to take their own motor apart, change this or that, and possibly find a little hidden power. What's easier, a builder to tear and test his own motor or ask you to keep shipping yours back and forth to test/tweak. Any builder that just does a port job and calls it a day isn't trying very hard...the ones constantly tinkering to try and get a little more here, little more there...those are the guys that shine. No builder started out being the best or the fastest...they've built probably more slower motors than fast when they did start out. And they've probably broke a ton of shit, too.... That's part of the learning curve.... Also, keep in mind. Just because it works for them, doesn't necessarily mean it'll work for you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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