Meat Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 1. Have you had a problem when hitting water? YES 2. Did it bog or rev? BOG 3. Do you have stock carbs? YES 4. Do they have the tors still on top? NO 5 What year is your banshee? 1988 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 1. Have you had a problem when hitting water? yes 2. Did it bog or rev? bogs 3. Do you have stock carbs? no... PWK 35's 4. Do they have the tors still on top? no 5 What year is your banshee? 1996 its sooooo annoying when im riding well around the track near my house and suddenly i hit a puddle and its as if ive hit the brakes as the bike bogs. this is obviously a common banshee problem like the rattling kickstarter??!! stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFDuke Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 I got a 2000 Shee MOtion pro twist, (I guess the TORS are gone, no boxs on the carbs) Revs out like crazy, when water or moisture in the air. The rest of the bike is stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenBB Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 1. Have you had a problem when hitting water? YES 2. Did it bog or rev? REVS 3. Do you have stock carbs? YES 4. Do they have the tors still on top? NO 5 What year is your banshee? 1996 My '96 has the original carbs, Mikuni tops, Toomey idle kit, Motion-Pro cable to thumb throttle, single K&N with Outerwear on UMI adapter plate, Fatty's, Dyna FS, head shaved 20, Wisecos 20 over, stock airbox with no lid. I don't ride through any water, except on an MX track, all it takes is a puddle an inch or two deep and it'll stick wide open. Shutting it down seems to let the stuck slide drop and then it's fine (only one side sticks). It will also stick right after washing but I've tried and can't recreate the problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmatt Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 1. Have you had a problem when hitting water? no 2. Did it bog or rev? neither 3. Do you have stock carbs? yes 4. Do they have the tors still on top? yes 5. What year is your banshee? 2002 I have a 2002 with clamp-on foam filter, DG pipes, stock pilots and 300 mains. I have not touched the TORS system. I haven't had any problem with water yet, but you guys have me concerned. Fixitrod: Have you heard anything back from the Carb manufacturer yet? Are you going to give the poll results to them to prove that there is a problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H300F Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 95 no bog or rev stock carbs vitos tors elim. when i had the stock cdi on, it would bog, or not start. put on a dyna and no more problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsviper22 Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 It's not a matter of icing or electrical. It's a simple matter that metal expands and contracts depending on temperature. When you are riding on asphalt and go over a puddle you will probably notice it more than if you were on sand or gravel due to the way asphalt directs heat. Water creates a lower temperature area around it. So when you go over it the carbs get a degree or more cooler an causes the metal to expand. This can either cause sticking or cause it to bog the engine down. It's like riding a bike down a road in the hot summer and you hit a shady spot. You can definately tell the difference in temperature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FORMULASPEED Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 1. yes it revs to the moon when wet. 2. no torrs 3. 87' boyseen reeds,spacers,K&N sometimes the revs quit with the flip of the on off switch, sometimes it dont and continues for a while :roll: EDIT FEB 10-04 No longer run stock carbs, because of this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FadedDreams Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 . Have you had a problem when hitting water? no 2. Did it bog or rev? neither 3. Do you have stock carbs? yes 4. Do they have the tors still on top? yes 5. What year is your banshee? 2001 I had pro circuit pipes,v-force reeds,cool head,and pro flow plate with k&n.I've went through water that have been over the footpegs,splashing on the engine.I could ride in the rain or with moisture in the air. Now I have 28pwk's bored to 30 and so far haven't had a problem with them other than jetting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Quad Racer Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Hi! How are you all. Its been a bloody long time since ive been on hear and i have your answer. I have answered this question previously on this forum. First of all the standard carbs have teflon coated slides. When moisture is added to these types of slides they tend to stick momentarily. This is why when splashing through a puddle can cause the engine to continue reving. Why only with tors removed you ask? Lets say your out on a trail, 4th gear wide open through a puddle and then shut off for a corner. With tors the system detects the open slide/s and a closed throttle so ignition is killed, cause the slides only tend to stick for a moment it will return to normal without you noticing anything different. Without tors there is no safety fearture for an event like this so the engine keeps reving. Some solutions Run complete airbox and snorkel Run different carbs Or my choice remove and clean carbs. Get yourself some autosol(metal polish) and polish the inside of the carb body where the slide runs. Polish it until the slide bore is really smooth. Now clean and lube your throttle cable and throttle. You should be pretty right now and have 1 super smooth throttle. Pls email me when you have tried this to lert me know your experiances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyman Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Nice theory but it seems that not only have people taken the teflon off the slides but also have run with the tors removed. It seems you may have had a different problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitrod Posted June 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Yep, I completly removed the teflon from a set of slides and it didn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duneroc Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 I wonder if the problem could pertain to certain banshee's with certain V.I.N. numbers. You would think if one had the problem, they all would. I have gone through some pretty deep water and never had a problem. Just a thought. :twisted: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboybanshee Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Runs like a ski-doo, NEVER had any problems. I was shocked when there were no problems just because of all the posts I've read like this one. I'm runnin DG pipes and silencers, jetted stock carbs off a 98, no tors, drop in K&N, .40 wisecos, NO problems whatsoever. The majority of my riding is in the creek. I got some vids I'm makin by the way, I'll post em once they're done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayBanshee Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 My dad and I both have 2001 banshees with thumb throttles, k&n's, stock carbs, fmf fattys, tors removed. Two weeks ago we took apart his carbs and sprayed teflon on the slides then we went riding. Mine was reving everytime I touched water and his did not do it once. We took his carbs back apart and the teflon was starting to wear off. Now after a few rides it has all worn off it is reving again. I bet if someone put new slides in, (which comes with teflon baked on them) it would be fine until the teflon starts to wear off. I only had my banshee for about two weeks and I did my mods, it ran fine for about a year and I used to ride in alot of water and it never reved up. I bet if you take a poll of whos banshee with stock carbs reved up within the first six month to a year, there will be very few whos did and if everyone whos throttle is sticking now takes there stock carbs apart, most of the teflon coating is gone. New slides will fix the problem, but they are 70.00 each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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