Dark Ranger Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 1. Have you had a problem when hitting water? YES 2. Did it bog or rev? Rev 3. Do you have stock carbs? YES 4. Do they have the tors still on top? NO 5. What year is your banshee? 1988 My throttle has always stuck when hitting water and it also used to die shortly after until I took the wire harness apart and sealed the crap out of it. Now it only has the sticking throttle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boonman Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 I think I may open up the tolerance on the slide a little. And polish the hell out of it. it has to be something of a tight tolerance. I will have to spec out a set of carbs that don't stick and then spec out the stockers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitrod Posted June 6, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 Hey boonman, I was thinking of something like that too, but I don't have access to good tools for a precise cut. Let me know if you do it and how it turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duneroc Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 I think I may open up the tolerance on the slide a little. And polish the hell out of it. it has to be something of a tight tolerance. I will have to spec out a set of carbs that don't stick and then spec out the stockers.... That sounds like a real good idea. With the tight tolerances that come with precision parts, a difference of 0.001" could make all the difference. I would say, but I am not sure, the carb body itself is casted and the slide would appear to be forged. Either way, if they are not made from the same molds or tools and dies every time, it is possible to have differences between the same parts. Being that I have worked in the casting and forging industry, I have seen this happen on more than one occasion. :twisted: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcharne Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 when i still had the tors, i never really had a problem with water. now that i put the tors emilinator kit on. when it gets wet it revs. hope someone gets this figured out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDragon34 Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 It just occurred to me that I had no problem when running regular Bel-Ray oil at 40:1. Since I switched to MC-1 at 50:1 I've been having a problem. Does anyone think there's a chance that slightly more premix or an oil that would be less affected by cooling (changing viscosity) could make a difference. If there isn't enough oil or it became too thick such as with the freezing theory that could possibly make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenP Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 The 91 Banshee I brought home yesterday has THE problem too. My specs: 91 Banshee, FMF Fattys, VForce Reeds, Stock carbs, Thumb throtte, TORS in place but unplugged, balance pipe has been removed and plugged, no airbox, K&N filter, checked everything for air leaks earlier and didn't find any. Went for my first ride on it last evening. I think it was around 65-70 degrees out. During the first hour of my ride, I had no problems. I ran through quite a few mud and water holes (although I wasn't splashing much, just going slowly) with no problems. I rode a dirt road for a while in 3rd/4th gear with no problem. Stopped a few of times and twice when I shut it off, could hear the radiator boiling or something (probably unrelated). On my way home, it started barely raining but it didn't cool off much outside. I noticed a few times that it wouldn't drop all the way back to idle immediately, it would drop down to "almost" idle speed, then after a few seconds, go to idle. On one steep downhill section, I had the clutch in and was drifting when it started to rev by itself. It didn't go full throttle, but it did go pretty quick. I blipped the throttle and it went away. Finally when I got home, I let it idle and got off, checking over things and it started to rev again. First it went to half throttle and stopped, I blipped the throttle a few times and it started to back off, then it went wide open. I turned off the kill switch and IT KEPT RUNNING. Then finally, I jumped on and dumped the clutch to kill it. Could it be related to the premix ratio? The lack of airbox? Anything else? I'm not sure what oil and mix is in mine now since I'm still burning the previous owner's gas but I think he said it was Klotz at 32:1 or 40:1. I also plan on putting a stock airbox on if I can find one since I do ride in a bit of water usually and don't want to suck it into the engine. Sorry for the long post but I wanted to provide as much info as possible. Hopefully we can figure this thing out together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Abyss Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 Mine used to never do it at all and I've played in the best of swamp water laying everywhere areas for hours. Then the last 2 times I've ridden around like that I'd hit the water (2ft) hard enough to splash pretty good and coming out of the water a second later I'd give it pretty good throttle and it would stick every time. I was recreating it that way. It was in early spring and not incredibly cold out but the water was pretty cold. I'm thinking the water hitting the carbs made them contract a tiny bit and held the slides up. They could probably use a little bit of cleaning as well. I had a stretch ahead and I'd let it rev and it would rev for about 100 yards and then stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyman Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 OK... never had a sticking problem til today. I went riding for about 45 minutes. Outside temp was about 70. Rode mostly trails a little open stuff. No problems. Came home and washed it. Started it up to ride it around to the garage and it stuck a little just off idle. Blipped the throttle and it idled right down. About 1/2 hour later my kid came home and asked if we could go for a ride. I went to the gas station for more gas, came back and we went for a ride. It was sticking left and right. So we have almost 45 minutes from the time it got wet and stick the first time to the the time I actually went for a ride and it stuck repeatedly for the 1/2 hour we were riding. My specs... 28MM bored stock carbs. Toomey 2:1 filter with outerwear. TORS removed. Boyeson reeds. No engine work that I know of. This crap has got to stop 'cause I'm not going to tolerate it. WE HAVE GOT TO GET THIS FIGURED OUT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truckmonkey Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 My 97 does it (revs) stock carbs TORS eliminator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyman Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky13 Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 1999 no tors stock thumb throttle with aftermarket cable idle kit aftermarket air box lid bogs 20% revs 80% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassbanshee99 Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 1999 twist throttle no TORS revs to the moon....bogged down with TORS and im still wondering what bump means Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitrod Posted February 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 After I put new carbs on, I can play in the water all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Quad Racer Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 Listen hear and listen good. You have options that WILL solve it 1. Polish the carb slide hole to a mirror finish. (worked for me) 2. Replace your slides with metal chrome slides (A definate fix) 3. Buy yourself some modern carbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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