fixitrod Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 As I'm sure most of you have seen, we are trying to figure out why the banshee carbs bog or rev when hitting water. Holyman and I have spent a lot of time trying to figure this out. Several other have done some testing as well. I can't figure it out. I seem to be the only person that can re-created it with a water hose a sprayer. Please help us gather some information. This poll is to find out if your banshee has ever bogged or reved to the moon when hitting water. Please let us know what year banshee you have, if you have stock carbs or what type of carbs you do have and if you have tors or not. We need to find some kind of common grounds for the throttle sticking or bogging when hitting water. 1. Have you had a problem when hitting water? 2. Did it bog or rev? 3. Do you have stock carbs? 4. Do they have the tors still on top? 5 What year is your banshee? I tried to do a poll, but it won't let me list all the years of banshee's. It's to many poll options. Please just list your information and whether you've had a problem or not...Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitrod Posted June 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Well, I guess I could have said I do have a problem when hitting water. It revs to the moon. My carbs are stock with out the tors. I have a 1997 that is mildly ported with fmf fatty's. It just ticks me off when my 4 stroke buds play in the creeks and puddles and I have to watch. I'm to cheap....or broke....right now to just go out and buy carbs, so this is my desperate attempt to resolve this problem. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boonman Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 I have a 1996 shee, Mild port job, (clean up) Fatties, stock carbs, 330 mains, 27.5 pilots, Rickystator, open lid, uni with outerwear, and it has stuck with the tors caps in place, and with the eliminator. (I had the brain disconnected, that's why it would stick and not shut down with the tors...) it bogs and then revs to the moooooooooon. SOmetimes I can't get it to shut down without holding the brake and dumping the clutch..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDragon34 Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 1 yes 2 revs like hell 3 stock carbs 4 no Tors, twist throttle w/ idle kit (did it before I installed the idle kit and still does it after 5 2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheeman1 Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 stock 98 (just a k&n) runs like a jetski never revs hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbogger Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 I have a 97 banshee with stock carbs and the tors eliminator. I normally have no problem with water unless i hit it hard enough to cover the airbox. Then it acts as if the cylinders are loading up, spits and sputters. I think this is from the cutting off of air due to the water covering the air box which makes the cylinders become rich all of the sudden. After a second or two of reving the motor its fine. My mud truck does something similar when the exhaust goes under water in very deep holes cylinders load up with fuel. Maybe alot of the troubles you guys are having is with the air intake or does the carbs have any vent lines that could also become blocked when covered with water. This loss of air flow could cause the motor to bog and if covered with water long enough it would cause a vacuum lock that would cause the motor to run lean due to no flow of fuel and air from the carb and if i remember right this would cause it to rev. Just some thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoastatv Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 I am beginning to wonder whether this may be an issue of icing at the carb. The high velocity low pressure air entering the carb has a greatly reduced freezing point so when water is introduced into the carb, it could potentially freeze on the slide jamming the slide in an open position. Just a theory!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odie1kenodi Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 1988 Banshee, No TORS, K&N Air Filters, 28MM Mikuni Carbs, Billz pipes, Revs like hell, and I can re-create it with a water hose too. I kinda thought like the other dude, that it was the air filters getting wet, and suddenly enriching the fuel mixture, but there certainly could be something to the suggestion of icing in the bores, it can happen to airplanes, and Bernoulli's principle is definitely at work in these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitrod Posted June 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 For those of you with theorys or ideas, please read through this http://forums.bansheehq.com/viewtopic.php?t=9078 to see what findings we have already come up with. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandoz43 Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Wow this is the first I heard of this. I have an 01'. with no tors and running Klein PWK 28's never sticks. I never had this problem even when it was stock. Rapid heating and cooling will distort any metal after time. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duneroc Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Fixitrod: Have you tried waterproofing all of your electrical connections? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightrider Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Never have a problem swimming in the ponds unless the airbox takes on water(thats when the sputtering starts).Once the filter gets wet,shee doesn't want to rev.If you wring the filter out shee's ready to go. Oh yea,I do have tors,but they've never been a problem.The carbs are stock and its an 01' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallynut Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 '95 banshee, stock carb, tors gone, twist throttle, K&N filter, lid depending on how wet is. Shee will bog and then rev to the moon. I'm starting to wonder if maybe the tors eliminator kit, where you drill and tap for the idle screw, could be a source of problems. Displaced metal could be causing the tightness that has been noticed by some of you guys trying to figure this out. Will see if I can find a inside mic to check my carbs. Just a thought. So far, it doesn't seem to effect bikes with tors or different carbs then stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixitrod Posted June 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 If you read the sticking post, it is definetly the carbs. I can see them stick when I take off the filter. My electrical connectors and stator are sealed tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKJK Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 97 t5's proflow k+n with outerware stock air box no snorkel 6'1''holes w foam. stock thr.cable through tors but disconected stock carbs w.needle+jet kit.bog's+revs after a good washing.i've tried other known good carbs from my other banshee+same shit!i know mystator cover seal is letting water in there not a lot ,but it dont tak a lot to fu electrical.my theory is leaning twords electrical.i'll test this theory by misting the stator+pickup area with a spray bottel without getting the carbs wet to see if i can create the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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