Ieat4strokes Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 getting ready to do a major overhaul, ported cylinders, vforce 3's, T5's and carbs, undecided on 4 mill yet.... just wanting your opinions on cheetahs vs. stock ported. basically i can get some virgin cylinders and have them ported or just get a set of cheetahs. whats the pros and cons? If u can make as much power with some stockers and a good port why go with the more expensive cubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieat4strokes Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 basically what im saying is will i get more hp going from stock cylinders to cubs or stock cylinders to ported cylinders by a reputable builder from this site? ive been talking witha a builder and was basically told i wanted a dune port for my riding style. so dune ported stockers or cubs? one last newbie question hahah..... ok i know a set of cylinders can be bored so many times before thier done or sleeved. when trying to find me some how do u determine how many bores u have left? i know stock is 64mm so what about 65.5? how many times have they been bored and how many bores do they have left? my stockers have been bored .40..... how much do i have left on them? Thanks alot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberneck Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 What type of riding do you do?? That is going to be the biggest factor. If you drag race or ride open dunes, the cubs are fun. Tight trails, treeshots etc, not so much fun. You need to be honest with the type of riding you plan and what your budget will be and decide from there. Decide which way to go then pick components. If you go cub some of the stuff on your list above may not be the best way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony cub Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 get a cub...your never going to get the flow that you get from a cub on a stock cylinder..dollar for dollar the cub is cheper in the long run..ditch the t5s and get some cpis or shears pipes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulvafan537240 Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 basically what im saying is will i get more hp going from stock cylinders to cubs or stock cylinders to ported cylinders by a reputable builder from this site? ive been talking witha a builder and was basically told i wanted a dune port for my riding style. so dune ported stockers or cubs? one last newbie question hahah..... ok i know a set of cylinders can be bored so many times before thier done or sleeved. when trying to find me some how do u determine how many bores u have left? i know stock is 64mm so what about 65.5? how many times have they been bored and how many bores do they have left? my stockers have been bored .40..... how much do i have left on them? Thanks alot! std bore 64mm 0.10 bore 64.25mm 0.20 bore 64.5mm 0.30 bore 64.75mm .040 bore 65.mm .050 bore 65.25mm .060 bore 65.5mm .070 bore 65.75mm .080 bore 66mm .090 bore 66.25mm .100 bore 66.5mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieat4strokes Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 well i do alot of dirt draggin..... there are miles of tight wooded trails leading to the track and some technical hills.... i do love to climb hills, the longer and steeper the better. i also love to drag and noone here has anything extreme just 4 bangers with programmers, pipes and cams, there are about 8 other shees out here that show up regularly and honestly i havent had any problems from them at all....i want to be competitive and so far i have no problems but i get bored with the power and want more! but i dont wanna loose ALL trailability but i also want her to scream at the drag. so thats why i stated toomeys because i do want some grunt down low and not a full on drag pipe....if i were to go with cpi inframes would i have nothing down low? or is my setup all wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 basically what im saying is will i get more hp going from stock cylinders to cubs or stock cylinders to ported cylinders by a reputable builder from this site? ive been talking witha a builder and was basically told i wanted a dune port for my riding style. so dune ported stockers or cubs? All the power in the world will do you no good if you can't use it and/or get it to the ground. You can get more peak HP out of a cub more easily. A select few builders can get cub like numbers out of stock cylinders. When that's done...you've got more money into them, more time...etc. And it's a drag bike motor. If you talked to a builder and they said dune port....why are you stuck on cub? It's easier to get more power by bolting on a cub. That doesn't mean that's the right "type" of power for your application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001Stroker Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 With that kind of range of riding, I say get a Cheetah PV motor. You're not doing serious drags, but you ride tight trails and technical hills to get to the drag strip. I think you'd be good to go with a power valve motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajogejr Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I would agree...if he's got that kind of wallet. With the cheetah you're also shelling out for a new head and new intakes and new reeds as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001Stroker Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 You can get a complete Cheetah PV, 4mil topend, with HotRods crank, for around $2,700. If you got that kind of cash, I think it's your best bet. Kit Comes with: Cheetah Cylinder Wiseco pistons, wristpins, bearings, circlips All gaskets and seals HotRods 4mil welded crank Intakes V-Force 3 reeds Head with removeable domes (your choice of size) Billet powervalves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster2006 Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 get a cub...your never going to get the flow that you get from a cub on a stock cylinder..dollar for dollar the cub is cheper in the long run..ditch the t5s and get some cpis or shears pipes. i wouldnt waste money ditching the T5s and going with CPI's, its not worth it, plus T5s are also designed for ported motors etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bbcmudtruck Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Heres a story from experience, take it or leave it... I ride trails and race about 50/50. Which sounds pretty close to what you do. I had a set of dune ported cylinders that ripped pretty hard, but decided to give a cub a try. I sold the dune cylinders, bought the cub and hated that thing. I ran the cub for about 6 weeks, sold it, and now I'm building a 4mil stock cylinder dune dune motor. For the trail riding, your going to be dissapointed with a cub... Sounds like maybe you should explore your 4mil options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00tbanshee Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 if you don't mind spending the money do a cub.but i think for your type of riding i would stick with the dune port stocker.just my .02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieat4strokes Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 dajogejr - im not stuck on a cub i was just askin is it worth the extra cash for a cheetah or some stockers that are ported by a builder from this site. im choosing Brandon at Wildcard racing to do my work for me and i was just wondering the differences between the 2 on a personal level...thats all I have looked into the PV motors and would love to try one but the wife would throw a fit lol... so basically i was gonna go dune ported stockers, 4 mill hotrods crank welded, TZ bearings, pancake bearing, T5s, 32 mikuni carbs, intakes, i already have the cool head and timing advance with vforce3s on the way . would this be a competitive setup for some dirt dragging against ur average racer? like i said none has nething extreme around here mainly bolts ons, cams etc. THANKS guys for all the input....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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