blaster2006 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) heya, yeah you all know my problem ive had. about the "revving" where it like turns off at low RPMS and such, they all said remove the tors, i just did but same problem but guess what, i finally found out exactly when it happens and what its from. but i dont know how to fix it though: here this is exactly what the problem is: first i would like to start off by saying, its not only on low rpms etc, it happens alot, but at random. The problem is an air leak of some kind, let me explain how i found out, if i leave it alone to idle without revving it, it sounds as if its gonna turn off, but it does not, so when that sounds like its gonna turn off, i rev it to give it gas, but, when im revving it when its about to turn off, it comes like a throooaty, im sure its too much air, its the sound of air coming in too much, as if there was an air leak, so i rev it i hear the throaty noise, for about 2 seconds eveb whislt im trying to keep it alive, the throttle makes a massive air noise for 2 seconds then revs at the higher normal sound, thats exactly what makes it slightly" turn off" when im riding it, but then when i push the accelerator it like pulls and revs at normal pace and everythings normal. and today when i was riding it, at one pointi turned it off, got off, and saw smoke by the fucking engine, and now i know it was cause of the massive air its too lean and overheating and im realllllllly pisssed off as bloody hell from that shit, and i hope i ddnt burn the engine, it starts up okay now though, so no major damage. ok, now im going to post some pics, of what im thinking is the air leak, because i checked manifolds and they seem fine, and im going to post a vid, here they are below: ----------------- ok here is one possibilty, the air filter, the sponge is cut in half, and i can see the plastic cage of the filter wide open. ---------------- This is a pic of the right carb on its right side, there are many holes without any screws or jets etc, never seen a carb like this before? ---------------- Here is a pic of the left carb on its left side,over here there is an empty hole, which seems weird, should be a jet or something... ------------ OK here is the vid, where the problem is most noticeable with my shitty mobile sound recorder, is in the very begining, when its idling and i revv it, dont watch the rest, cause somehow the problem ddnt come ( it comes and go's randomly), so the first part, listen carefully about 2 seconds before you hear the rev , cause thats when im revving it, you can hear the air-throaty thick noise, THATS my big ass problem, after 2 seconds of that deep noise it revved normally like it should, i get that same problem when i ride, its as if it turns off, no power! http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x182/bl...06/Image016.jpg Edited January 15, 2009 by blaster2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialEd 05 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) HOLY $HIT DUDE! that air filter is baaad news. If it's been ridden like that for long the engine is surely dusted. The holes in the carbs are normal, they're just where the idle speed screw would normally go when the carbs are used on a non TORS system. Edited January 15, 2009 by SpecialEd 05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster2006 Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) HOLY $HIT DUDE! that air filter is baaad news. If it's been ridden like that for long the engine is surely dusted. The holes in the carbs are normal, they're just where the idle speed screw would normally go when the carbs are used on a non TORS system. i honestly don't think its the air filter, cause, ok its torn, but it gets constant air, and there is a lid on it ofc. like i said, most of the time it runs fine, at some points it takes too much air... the times when it sounds like its gonna turn off, then i rev it, for 2 sec it still takes alot of air, then it stops, and revvs fine, something is making it go on and off. and i dunno what it is... smoked my engine .. really pissed.. it still runs but yeah i just bought it fucking yesterday seriously that's annoying. im thinking maybe i should tape up that slit? Edited January 15, 2009 by blaster2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05.Banshee.SE Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Buy a new filter it's less than $30 at your local ATV shop. I'd NEVER run it like that... Carb cleaner or a propane torch is best for checking air leaks. What mods are done to your bike? What is the jetting? Have you adjusted the air screw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialEd 05 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 What I would be doing is removing the carbs and reeds and completely cleaning them out because chances are they're full of gunk. Do this and then get yourself an aftermarket air filter kit, one that has an aluminum adaptor. Then put it back together and go from there. Maybe, just maybe engine damage is not too severe and you might get away with it. Is that how you got it with the air filter like that? The dude you bought it off has just put a zip tie around the foam to hold it on >FAIL!< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitkendall Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 well mine did kinda the same thing and i checked it over and over again even used carb cleaner lookin for the air leak and finaly one day was just discusted with it and sat on the ground while it was ideling and it caught my eye as the motor shook and rattled around like they do i seen that the intake boot was riped on the bottom but u could only see it if the carbs were pushed up becouse the weight of the carbs and airbox would keep the boot pushed down till the rattlen caused the carbs to move down and opened up the crack and it would suck air so u may wana check that also if it has a boost bottle check the lil plugs it slides into Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traxman Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Start with the simple: Make sure you turned off you choke????? Check your Idle jet make sure that it clear and clean.. These tend to gum up and get plugged when sitting around and not being ran. Plus the only way I will Idle is with the choke on if the idle jet is clogged, giving you that rich condition when giving it fuel. The holes on the side of you carbs are normal and don't need plugged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster2006 Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 well mine did kinda the same thing and i checked it over and over again even used carb cleaner lookin for the air leak and finaly one day was just discusted with it and sat on the ground while it was ideling and it caught my eye as the motor shook and rattled around like they do i seen that the intake boot was riped on the bottom but u could only see it if the carbs were pushed up becouse the weight of the carbs and airbox would keep the boot pushed down till the rattlen caused the carbs to move down and opened up the crack and it would suck air so u may wana check that also if it has a boost bottle check the lil plugs it slides into waiiit.. hold up, i just took a closer look at it, is it me, (sorry im new to shees) or the air filter should not have a screw to hold it in place? i just pulled the whole filter out? this might be a stupid question, cause my blaster used to have a bolt that holds the filter in place... maybe thats the problem?? oh and can i just put tape on the filter? or maybe super glue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ban99 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 That filter you have on there serves no purpose, you would be just as well to run no filter at all. You can't seriously think that's proper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster2006 Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 That filter you have on there serves no purpose, you would be just as well to run no filter at all. You can't seriously think that's proper. so thats what it was... omg.. seriously. the banshee woulda beeen mintttttttttttt if i fixed it before. i ddnt know :S i hope to god that that smoke i saw before wasnt too bad, well, i left it for 2 hours ish, and it started up, but it needed half choke though, it wouldnt start with normal kicks no choke, which is weird :S it was still abit warm on the engine... i will really get angry if it burnt, i payed almost every single $ i had left, $3,700 for that stock shee. meh. guys how can i fix this. please help here. can i just put tape around the diameter of it? or maybe on top of the slit it has? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traxman Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 waiiit.. hold up, i just took a closer look at it, is it me, (sorry im new to shees) or the air filter should not have a screw to hold it in place? i just pulled the whole filter out? this might be a stupid question, cause my blaster used to have a bolt that holds the filter in place... maybe thats the problem?? oh and can i just put tape on the filter? or maybe super glue? Anything behind the carbs most likely is not the problem unless there is a blockage. The torn air filter is not enough of a factor to cause these symptoms, nor is the screw. If you have a clear passage to the carbs you fine. Yes I think you need to address these problems before you go riding in dirt or sand but it should affect you in trying to troubleshoot you running problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollinRhino Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Don't run through a sand storm with it like that. Yikes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialEd 05 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) The OEM filter cage doesn't have a screw to secure it in place, it relies on the lid to keep a seal which is why they're junk. Pick up a better setup straight away before you go running it around any more. Something like this Pro Design kit. eBay link Edited January 15, 2009 by SpecialEd 05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ban99 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 It's hard to see from the pics but it almost looks like the carbs have already been drilled out for idle screws. Am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster2006 Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) It's hard to see from the pics but it almost looks like the carbs have already been drilled out for idle screws. Am I wrong? omg i really am starting to think i burned the engine.. im gonna cry if so, it was so fun when i was riding it, i love it.. guys.. this cant happen to me. lemme explain abit, when it was smoking, i left it for 3 min, the smoke stopped, i turned it on and then was riding it for 30 mins ish no problems, please tell me it means thats fine please? ;p lets say there is "minor damage" or something to it, when running lean like that and smoking the engine, what do i need to change? a new cylinder bore + piston/ rings etc? Edited January 15, 2009 by blaster2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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