Dick Wheels Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 DG'S ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopczynski Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 DG'S ... Dyno Dave has a set of brand new chrome DG pipes still in the bags in his shop. Yesterday I was trying to talk him into putting them on a motor we are going to dyno in a few months. He said he thinks they would be best suited for a large bore stock stroke motor, like a cub with a stock stroke. I was mystified, but I value his opinions most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FASTOYS Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 The best low end pipes i know of are Paul Turner MIDS first, then Pro Circuit, Fatty Knarlys, T6s, etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodro77 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 pt mids are great low end pipes . dont laugh about the DG pipes , i had a set back in the day and they were alot better than you would think . went from DG's to fatty's and really couldnt tell the difference . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Wheels Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 (edited) Dyno Dave has a set of brand new chrome DG pipes still in the bags in his shop. Yesterday I was trying to talk him into putting them on a motor we are going to dyno in a few months. He said he thinks they would be best suited for a large bore stock stroke motor, like a cub with a stock stroke. I was mystified, but I value his opinions most of the time. I think we all would be really interested in seeing some real numbers on them since everyone tears them apart all the time. I run them with my mods below and they pull hard bottom to top. Do it Snoop...Finally give us the facts. I have been thinking of going to PT Mids or the PC's to really complement my setup but why dump the money if they will only prove to me a minimal gain? Plus these have a great sound and usually can get a nice set for 100 bux and even less Edited January 12, 2009 by Dick Wheels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FASTOYS Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 I forgot to add the DGs. The Pro Circuits will give you more/mid top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheeqc Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 For me, Procircuit pipe are the best pipe for a stock to lightly modified motor. You gain low to top power and the bike pull hard (for a stock motor :biggrin: ). The PC pipe are great for all type of riding.I personnaly test T5, procircuit, dmc, sst and T6. T5 are really good pipe, but little less than procircuit for a stock engine (according to me) DMC are close to T5. T6 not made the result i'm waiting for. bansheeqc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopczynski Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 The Pro Circuits will give you more/mid top. ?????? All the testing I have done says they focus more on the low-mid. They even redline at a lower rpm than pt mids. Pipe to pipe on the same motor, pro circuits make more power off the bottom and pull harder through the midrange. We tested them last year on a motor that had pt mids. The pc's made more torque, had a broader curve, redlined 400rpm less than the pt mids, and made 5 more hp than the pt mids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterlocal22 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 gnarleys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R/C Hippie Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 why dont we all get together and dyno are pipes on the same bike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopczynski Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Don't really need to, I already know about most the good low end pipes out there (my dyno testing). Top ones are in no particular order: Pt mids, FMF Gnarleys, Pro Circuits. The 2 into 1 actually has a higher redline than the pt mids and the pro circuits. It still makes less power and has a narrower curve though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csrmel Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 why try and turn a banshee motor into a low end motor? just buy a 400ex or something. banshee has a midrange motor from the factory. its got a good narrow midrange powerband. don't turn it into something that it isn't. to do that, you could have to cut the bottom of the cylinders to reduce the port timings. that would have a bonus side effect of reducing the squish and raising compression too. then you could have a powerful low rpm motor, but it would sign off early because of the port timings. . the banshee just isn't meant for low rpm power. thats what 4 strokes are for. maybe buy some power valve cylinders for low rpm power. or just buy that 400ex i was talkin about. gobs of low rpm gut pulling torque. gutless on thetop end. if you were to put a typical banshee up against a stock 400ex and fitted both quads with a 3000rpm rev limiter, the 400ex would kill a banshee. remove the limiters, and banshee murders 400ex all day long though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misssppelllleddd Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 why dont we all get together and dyno are pipes on the same bike? that test was done a long time ago. check previous editions of dirt wheels. i remember reading about it about 6-7 years ago (or something like that) and pro circuits had the best low end. i think fmf, toomey's, pt's, and trinity's pipes were all tested too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misssppelllleddd Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 why try and turn a banshee motor into a low end motor? just buy a 400ex or something. banshee has a midrange motor from the factory. its got a good narrow midrange powerband. don't turn it into something that it isn't. to do that, you could have to cut the bottom of the cylinders to reduce the port timings. that would have a bonus side effect of reducing the squish and raising compression too. then you could have a powerful low rpm motor, but it would sign off early because of the port timings. . the banshee just isn't meant for low rpm power. thats what 4 strokes are for. maybe buy some power valve cylinders for low rpm power. or just buy that 400ex i was talkin about. gobs of low rpm gut pulling torque. gutless on thetop end. if you were to put a typical banshee up against a stock 400ex and fitted both quads with a 3000rpm rev limiter, the 400ex would kill a banshee. remove the limiters, and banshee murders 400ex all day long though. I don't know about the 400ex....those quads are just plain shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regalrocket Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 why try and turn a banshee motor into a low end motor? just buy a 400ex or something. banshee has a midrange motor from the factory. its got a good narrow midrange powerband. don't turn it into something that it isn't. to do that, you could have to cut the bottom of the cylinders to reduce the port timings. that would have a bonus side effect of reducing the squish and raising compression too. then you could have a powerful low rpm motor, but it would sign off early because of the port timings. . the banshee just isn't meant for low rpm power. thats what 4 strokes are for. maybe buy some power valve cylinders for low rpm power. or just buy that 400ex i was talkin about. gobs of low rpm gut pulling torque. gutless on thetop end. if you were to put a typical banshee up against a stock 400ex and fitted both quads with a 3000rpm rev limiter, the 400ex would kill a banshee. remove the limiters, and banshee murders 400ex all day long though. Its all about riding styles. I ride tight woods, and like a more low end based two stroke. The PT Mids make great off idle power that allows you to pull a slightly higher gear, and muscle threw the turns and have the ability to leave them hard without having to rev the piss out of it in a lower gear. Its just how I ride. PT Mids have just as much as stock, and awsome low and mid power. Its smooth power too, which will keep you outa trouble in the woods. I have a friend with T-6's and he wants PT's after riding my machine. Its just how we ride i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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