sheerider1026 Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 there are plenty of people with cubs and other motors making a lot of power that have this problem man.. what do you think overide trannys are for?? when these trannys are put under more stress, they don't wanna shift, they want to stay in the gear they are currently in.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001Stroker Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 I thought the overrides were for shifting under power without using the clutch. Kinda like manually shifting an automatic transmission. I'm not trying to be an asshole, or argue what you're saying. I'm just trying to learn something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheerider1026 Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 an overide gives you the advantage of clutchless shifting, but also gives you the advantage of positive easy shifting.. you get both with the overide.. it is the better way to go. the mull "stutter box" is a ifferent approach for esier shifting.. go out and cruise around on your banshee, at a moderates speed you can shift without using the clutch ( less load or power on the tranny). now hold it wide open and try to shift without the clutch.. you will see what i am talking about on the "more power=harder to shift" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
05.Banshee.SE Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Doesn't the override go 1-5, then back to nuetral? IE you can't drop gears in the middle of a run? That's what someone told me, jw if it's true or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001Stroker Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Well, I power-shift on the reg, and I have never had this problem. The motor that I just pulled out of my bike was a ported 4mil. It was making plenty of power. It shifted just the same whether I'm just cruising around, or power-shifting with the throttle pinned. I'm still curious if anyone else is having this problem. I know you say they are, but I can't find any threads on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheerider1026 Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 well i will also tell you this.. i had a 96 banshee transmission that had a lot of time on it.. i could always powershift that tranny, has a stock cylinder setuo on it.. then you can hop on another bike and its harder to shift.. not sure.. but mine is hard to shift under WOT.. not impossible to shift though... i will give the "stutter box" a try and see what happens.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LS1Inferno Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 im going to buy the easy shift kit. and hope it shifts easier, mines an 87 with dune port and 34PJ's it WILL NOT shift at WFO. even if i hold the clutch and let off the gas it still doesnt like to shift. soo im going to be putting in my spare tranny if this does not fix it. if already got a modded shift star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRed350x Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 Ok. It still doesn't make sense to me. How much power your engine produces shouldn't have any effect on how hard your transmission shifts. Unless, something got bent, or worn out from the excessive amounts of power. I've never heard anyone else complain about this problem with cubs. I'm getting ready to start building a 10mil cub. Hope I don't have this same problem. :ermm: Anybody else had this problem with a cub? LOL! You haven't been around big engines much then. Without some kind of trans mods you would have a hell of a hard time shifting a 10mil. Any bike putting decent power to the ground will make it harder to shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001Stroker Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 LOL! You haven't been around big engines much then. Without some kind of trans mods you would have a hell of a hard time shifting a 10mil. Any bike putting decent power to the ground will make it harder to shift. Why you gotta put down somebody's intelligence? I'm simply trying to get educated on the subject. Not bashed. All I'm sayin is, I own a 4mil in my bike, and have not had ANY problems with the tranny. Instead of putting me down, why don't you tell me what I need to do, when I go to the 10mil. I just have a hard time believing that a bigger motor would make the transmission shift harder. Show me some proof, or some threads on here where people are bitching about it. I can't find any, except this one. I can see where a bigger motor would put more stress on a transmission and make it wear out faster. I just can't see taking a perfect transmission, putting it in a bigger motor, and now all of a sudden it shifts like shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragbanshee Posted December 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 no, under normal riding it shifts just fine!! just under WOT its hard to shift,,,.. normal for a cub motor. Exactly, thats why Im trying the shifting mods and if that doesn't work I'll be moving on to the next step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheerider1026 Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 gears in the tranny mesh together, when you shift they slide on the shafts that they rotate on to engage the next gear. when the gears have an abnormal amount of pressure between them(from high horsepower). they don't wanna disengage, or even move for that matter.. hope that kinda makes sense.. its kinda like having a loose leaf piece of paper in a book on the floor, easy to pull that paper out, but have someone stand on the book and see if it wants to budge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireHead Posted December 14, 2008 Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 "Kwik Shift" Kit The Kwik Shift kit makes hard shifting and missed shifts a thing of the past. By interrupting engine power for a split second, our kit allows faster and more accurate shifting without letting off the throttle or pulling the clutch! After all, when the clutch is in, the clock is still ticking. Our kits are custom engineered for each bike and require only minimal wiring experience. Also includes a bypass switch for normal operation. We also designed this low profile kit to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragbanshee Posted December 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2008 OK, thanks man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowit Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Just read most of the thread guys and thought I would offer some info on our shift kit. We designed the circuit to use a contactless sensor with full digital timing and switching. Contact type switching will inevitably fail due to wear and/or debris. We use unique concepts in the circuit to increase the accuracy and repeatability. We have designed in overload circuits to protect the kit as well as advanced timing pots on the box to allow fine tuning of shift points and timing with a small screw driver. We have also designed in an air or electric shift circuits but have not come up with a design we are happy with just yet for those options. We have about 100 of these kits in the market around the world but most are in dedicated race situations or on sponsored bikes. We have some in desert racing that are used solely for reduction of rider fatigue for long duration events. We do not currently have these kits on the market because we are still working to improve the installation simplicity for the general user. We also feel we may have over engineered the kit for the current market and pricing seems out of line for some. We refuse to send our production parts to china at this time to save a few bucks so we still have some things to work on. As far as function, this offers the same benefits as an override trans but without the cost and effort of install. There are some pros and cons to both but we prefer electrical options over mechanical ones due to tunability. Hope this helps answer a few questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regalrocket Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Just read most of the thread guys and thought I would offer some info on our shift kit. We designed the circuit to use a contactless sensor with full digital timing and switching. Contact type switching will inevitably fail due to wear and/or debris. We use unique concepts in the circuit to increase the accuracy and repeatability. We have designed in overload circuits to protect the kit as well as advanced timing pots on the box to allow fine tuning of shift points and timing with a small screw driver. We have also designed in an air or electric shift circuits but have not come up with a design we are happy with just yet for those options. We have about 100 of these kits in the market around the world but most are in dedicated race situations or on sponsored bikes. We have some in desert racing that are used solely for reduction of rider fatigue for long duration events. We do not currently have these kits on the market because we are still working to improve the installation simplicity for the general user. We also feel we may have over engineered the kit for the current market and pricing seems out of line for some. We refuse to send our production parts to china at this time to save a few bucks so we still have some things to work on. As far as function, this offers the same benefits as an override trans but without the cost and effort of install. There are some pros and cons to both but we prefer electrical options over mechanical ones due to tunability. Hope this helps answer a few questions. If the kit isn't on the market, when will it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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