locogato11283 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 lately ive been coming across a lot of threads about people asking for cheap porting and virtually no turnaround time. people are in such a hurry to get things done that they are willing to let inexperienced people do work on their cylinders. why is this? your cylinders are the heart of your bike. this is not a place to go cheap or be in a hurry about. good porting by an experienced and proven builder takes time. there are calculations involved that are beyond me, and thats why i pay the best to port my motors. why would you want some no name "builder" messing around with your cylinders? i see plenty of guys runnin around on this site saying they can port this and that.. you know what?? i wouldnt let any of you clowns port my WEEDEATER!! and if anyone on this site falls for that shit.. well i guess i just dont feel sorry for you. take your time. do your research. have someone who is proven to be good at what they do work on your stuff. redline, k&t, a&s, fast, gt perf... these guys have all won races and can build fast shit. they are busy as fuck because they are the BEST!! these clowns runnin around on this site claiming they can get your shit back to you in 3 days arent busy because they are not even on the same level as the guys listed above. why would you want someone who is sittin around copying other peoples work or using templates to port the part of your motor that determines what kind of power youll be making? discuss... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooker82 Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Send your cylinders to me. I will port them with a hammer and chisel for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinisterboo Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 This is a very much needed post, from a guy who is on here 24/7. I agree that if you wnt the most from your bike, you need to research any and all mods you do, because its very easy to be had, from making a bad decision. Any reputable builder will take the time to discuss all your mods and plans, and help get you pointed in the right direction so you arent dissapointed with the results. I have personally talked to jeff at F.A.S.T several times during my build, and was very pleased with his taking time out of his busy day to answer all my stupid questions. Everyone on here will have a favorite. Just shop around. And once you have your bike done by a good place, you will be glad you waited. Hell, send off your jugs and pass the time by going thru your brakes, lube up your pivot points, maybe paint and powdercoat some stuff. Thats what I do, and it doesnt seem like that long of a wait. Its getting cold outside, so a lot of you arent riding much anyways. So read up! And builders, nows the time to step up, and help these guys out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE GRIM RIPPER Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Fuck the bullshit, I can port Weedeaters all day.... Send me yours Loco, It will be 1 year turn around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlntdEyez Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 The guys coming here asking who ports the cheapest. Think porting is like a bolt on mod. who can do it the cheapest when the Dune port you get from F.A.S.T. will be different from the Dune port you get from A&S. But the PD coolhead you get from Pro Design is the same as the one you get of EBAY. Which one is cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
278 Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 There are a few smaller guys that are reputable, but are just getting there business off the ground and acutally do really good work. But I totally agree with you loco, as I learned the hard way. When I first came on here I did the same thing (asking whos the cheapest) and decided to have a local shop do it to avoid paying for shipping. They do really good work and have won multiple racesand done banshees before, but I dont really like the way they do business, therefor I was not very happy with my decision. He did do a pretty good job, as far as I know they came out great and the guy knew exactly what I wanted done to them, but if I could do it over I would have just sent them out. Hopefully some of these guys your talking about will read this before they go make a dumb mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grpark20 Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 (edited) lately ive been coming across a lot of threads about people asking for cheap porting and virtually no turnaround time. people are in such a hurry to get things done that they are willing to let inexperienced people do work on their cylinders. why is this? your cylinders are the heart of your bike. this is not a place to go cheap or be in a hurry about. good porting by an experienced and proven builder takes time. there are calculations involved that are beyond me, and thats why i pay the best to port my motors. why would you want some no name "builder" messing around with your cylinders? i see plenty of guys runnin around on this site saying they can port this and that.. you know what?? i wouldnt let any of you clowns port my WEEDEATER!! and if anyone on this site falls for that shit.. well i guess i just dont feel sorry for you. take your time. do your research. have someone who is proven to be good at what they do work on your stuff. redline, k&t, a&s, fast, gt perf... these guys have all won races and can build fast shit. they are busy as fuck because they are the BEST!! these clowns runnin around on this site claiming they can get your shit back to you in 3 days arent busy because they are not even on the same level as the guys listed above. why would you want someone who is sittin around copying other peoples work or using templates to port the part of your motor that determines what kind of power youll be making? discuss... Amen Brotha!!! I personally feel good about having to wait a minimum of a month for a builder. It lets me think they are taking the time to do the job right. Besides, most of the big builders advertising is by word of mouth versus prices. I'd rather know a builder is more worried about getting a bad name from customers then turning out 100 engines a month. Also the integrity factor. If a big builder for some reason screws up some porting, I'd believe they would own up to it and replace the jugs. I do not think a smaller builder would do this. From the stories I've read on here there is only one builder I will ever send stuff to....F.A.S.T. I do not care about the price....building a quality shee will never be cheap. I'm not saying the other big builders are crap, just my personal preferance is to go to F.A.S.T. It also says something when a big builder recommends another do to there turn around time or helps someone out by taking parts off there own bike. Very few places in America offer this kind of customer service, so price was the very last factor for me. Edited November 24, 2008 by grpark20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MarineNYC Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 TYTY Tyler. This is what I was trying to tell these guys. They have no idea how important this is and what kind of power they can get out of it if done correctly. Proof is proof and thats the reason I wont let just anyone work on my shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPPEN Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I also agree with allot of what has been said above.. Everytime someone mentions "cheap" porting or doing it themselves I kinda cringe.. Don't get me wrong.. I know that "everyones gotta start somewhere" but i don't think allot of people realized whats involved. People think because they hogged out a exhaust manifold on their car that they will be proficient in porting banshee cylinders and making power.. I have seen guys here and there say well I got this or did that and MAN what a difference.. Thats great and Iam happy for them but at the end of the day just because it feels faster than it did before doesn't mean your getting the power or power delivery like you should/want/need. When I got my port job done like others have mentioned it wasn't really about the money.. It was about getting what I want and needed out of it.. Its like a Lawyer.. Sure you can hire a cheap one or even represent yourself.. But in the long run you get what you pay for.. Porting is a "specialty" service that takes lots of time, learning and R&D.. Allot of the guys that are sucsessful in porting have been doing it for a very long.. Iam not trying to bag on anyone thats trying to do their own thing or wanna find the cheapest.. But when it comes to cutting corners on a build porting is the one thing I think you should never slouch on.. There are allot of other mods or parts you can find good "deals" on. But when it comes to the one thing that basicly ties EVERY MOD together, its much wiser to do your homework and find which builder is best for YOU, rather than your POCKET.. Good topic.. RIPPEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001Stroker Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 This is what I offered Mopar1. Seem fair to you guys? I have a set of stock jugs bored .080. I plan on selling them in the near future. They have a mild port, that actually could have been done a little better. I sent pics of it to Jeff at FAST, and he said there's plenty left to do something with them. How about I ship them to you, and you port them with your template. I'll pay for the stones, and shipping back. Then I'll sell them to someone(preferably someone on this site), and get feedback. Then, I'll give you 25% of the sale if they're what you say they are. Sound fair? It'll get your name out there, which ever way it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRed350x Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 One guy who is new with the porting and does good work with short turn-around that I can vouch for is slobanshee06. Although what locogato says is true, its not always the case. There are some new guys out there who are trying to get off the ground and don't have as much business as the guys who have been around for a while. But I agree, porting the heart and soul or your bike. Don't skimp on it. I've had K&T cylinders, A&S Cylinders, Gorr Cylinders and seen FAST, wildcard racing and Herr Jugs cylinders. All do good work and I wouldn't hesitate to go to any of them for porting. Good post loco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firebanshee Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I use to have alot of fun playing with the porting on my OWN stock cylinders and seeing what would happen if i raised this or lowered that.I use to even have people ask me who ported my bike and i would tell them that i did and i do it for my own entertainment.My bike was pretty fast with my home port jobs and i use to out run alot of bikes, but by no means was i the fastest bike out there.These bikes that said redline and twister on them kept beating me.I don't regret playing with my own cylinders i had alot of fun but my bike is up a redline right now getting motor work and tuning done to it.You guys are right when you say that if you want to throw your name in the hat of being know as a bad ass motor builder you need to build your own bike and show people what you got.I guarantee that if you were racing overhear on the oregon coast and started beating redline bikes with your port work and motor work you would get peoples attention.I don't think alot of people realize that there is more to just slapping a port job in your bike,it is the complete package all they way down to the gearing and tires.I am a bigger sized rider so redline is building my bike accordingly, i don't think a person just learning how to do port work and do motor work would have the technology to be able to do this.I guess the point i am trying to make is i don't think it is right to go out and experiment on other peoples stuff and charge them for it and tell them they are getting a full fledged port job.I experimented on MY stuff only,but by no means did i try to sell my hobbie.Leave it to the pros if you want to beat the pros. I think this is a good topic because i have seen some guys around here get really screwed over by there good deal on a port job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bansheefreak Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 if you ever get a chance to ride other banshee's with diff porting before you decide never hurts ... might be surprised what you like when actually riding it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcardracing Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 if you ever get a chance to ride other banshee's with diff porting before you decide never hurts ... might be surprised what you like when actually riding it.. Very good advice. You can go by word of mouth all day long, but it's been my experience that a lot of people have only ridden one builders work. So, they will think it's the cat's meow if they felt an improovement. Victories at the track, mountain ect. are undeniable evidence of quality work. But, if you have the chance to try out several builders work then by all means do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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