BigCheeseStick Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I've got a '06 shee that I installed a full Toomey T6 kit on, V3 valves, urathan boots, and a TORS eliminator kit on all at the same time (about 1 hour after I brought it home from the dealer new!), I knew better than to install more than one mod at a time (makes troubleshooting a bch, but did it anyway because I'm clearly retarded! I sycronized the carbs "by eye" watching the slides movement as I moved the throttle. NOW it starts right up in three kicks or less every time, runs PERFECT while the choke is all the way out, or half way out, then as it warms up I push in the choke and the right cylinder goes weak. If I ride it it acts like the right cylinder bogs a lot throughout the whole throttle range. If I tap the throttle to rev it a little then jump on it it'll take off like a bat out of hell, then before long the right cylinder goes weak again. I've taken the right carb apart again, cleaned it, blew it out, checked float level, made sure the slides were in correctly, the correct float bowls are on the correct carbs (left & right), put it back together and... Exact same thing. Tried new plugs, tried swapping plug wires... Same thing. Whatever this is I caused it! It's got to be carb related because its ok when the choke is on (running rich as hell of course). It didnt do this before all the mods. I've tried adjusting the right side idle position screw in and out (brass screw installed in side of carb), adjusting the right throttle position adjustment up and down (adjustment on top carb I've now got with the TORS eliminator kit), at ANY throttle position, even idle the right cylinder is barely running once the choke is in. It'll run great for a few seconds when I jump on it, but thats it... Then no matter where the throttle is the right side goes weak again. ANY IDEA'S??? PLEASE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCheeseStick Posted August 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I should mention I dont think its a sync problem because no matter where I adjust the right carb it runs weaker than the left. If it were a sync issue I should be able to open the right throttle more and get it to run stronger than the left... Right? Whats the brass screw on the carb. that goes in at an angle close to the air box??? I've never adjusted either the left on or right (sorry to ask such stupid questions. Just ignorant!) Thanks again for any help you guys can give!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlntdEyez Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I should mention I dont think its a sync problem because no matter where I adjust the right carb it runs weaker than the left. If it were a sync issue I should be able to open the right throttle more and get it to run stronger than the left... Right? Whats the brass screw on the carb. that goes in at an angle close to the air box??? I've never adjusted either the left on or right (sorry to ask such stupid questions. Just ignorant!) Thanks again for any help you guys can give!!! Did you rejet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2strokespirit Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Did you connected the choke tube between the 2 carbs?? It sounds like this is your problem.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCheeseStick Posted August 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 New jets and needles came as part of the T6 kit, but I think you may be on to something there! The needle position may be off, and the kit came with several jet sizes... There's a chance I've got two different size jets. Like to think I wouldnt have made a mistake this dumb, But... SOMETHINGS WRONG IN THERE! I've gotta pull both carbs apart and check this out. GOOD ONE! I suspected choke tube between the carbs too. I installed a new on with a clamp on each end already... No change. THANKS, PLEASE KEEP THE IDEAS COMING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptTrevStarr Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 New jets and needles came as part of the T6 kit, but I think you may be on to something there! The needle position may be off, and the kit came with several jet sizes... There's a chance I've got two different size jets. Like to think I wouldnt have made a mistake this dumb, But... SOMETHINGS WRONG IN THERE! I've gotta pull both carbs apart and check this out. GOOD ONE! I suspected choke tube between the carbs too. I installed a new on with a clamp on each end already... No change. THANKS, PLEASE KEEP THE IDEAS COMING! i too had the same problem...when installin the same set up...to tell you the truth i made the mstake of not readin the numbers on the jets..and makin sure they were the same...what i thought i saw and what it was was 2 different things..so check them mains... for proper jetting...sounds stupid but its what happened to me!! trevor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClimbAnyHill Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Wut air filter setup are you running and what are the carbs set at right now? Needle clip, jet sizes etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCheeseStick Posted September 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 (edited) I FOUND IT! I FOUND IT! I FOUND IT! Nothing to do with the carb at all! CONVINCED of this, I dug further... Apreciate this quad has been sitting broke for MONTHS., and It's only got 1hr run time on it since it was on the showroom floor (I've got others I ride). I've actually learned to really HATE the whole da#$ machine because this problem! But I finally found somthing wrong!!!!!!!! Bad VForce 3 valves from the factory! The carbon fiber reeds are acceptable (though I'm not impressed with the "squarness or trimming" around the edges of the reeds at all), but after swapping all four reeds into this ones position I'm still getting almost a 1/64" gap between the cage and one of the reed "petals". It just WONT seat! I remember noticing the problem on initial assembly, but didnt know anything about 2 strokes at the time, and thought. "Everybody swears these are the best... They were expensive as hell... They're surely OK... Just need to run a little to seat in or something." [i] NOT[/i] I called the Moto Tasinari tech. support number (NOT easy to get), and they're sending me a replacement cage with a shipper for me to return the warped one. What I get for replacing parts that werent broke to begin with I guess. Glad to see them own up to a defect without a huge argument, but still very disapointed in the product quality for the price. I just hope the new one is good! Edited September 4, 2008 by BigCheeseStick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigCheeseStick Posted September 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 I'm looking at the original factory reeds and cages which are still perfect and new condition... They all seal extremely well. Even pop a little when you gently push one open. The VForce 3 carbon fiber reeds I can actually see little pin holes through all of them in the carbon fiber weave when I hold them up to sun light... I pulled the cage on the left cylinder and it was sealing pretty good (why that cylinder ran MUCH, MUCH stronger). Do you guys REALLY think the VForce reeds are better than stock??? I know their stiffer, but seem like REALLY poor quality! Trying to decide what to put back in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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