yea the 700s run great as well, ive ridden a couple of them quite a few times, they got a shitload of torque all over the place, you can just lug them around a gear hjigher and poke ther throttle and the front end will still come up.. as far as your 3 mod raptor kicking your piped banshees ass all day long, does your banshee have a boo-boo?, i have a friend with a "3 mod" 700 and we ride all the time and he cant pull a foot on my piped banshee unless maybe if we raced in loose dirt from a dead stop..but they defintly get the power to the ground out of the hole alot better, which goes without saying, if i could own a second quad i think it would be the 700, the 450s are a little cramped for me, although i have only ridden the honda and yama so i cant speek for all of em especially with all the new ones now, and that ktm 525 sounds like its gona be fuckin bad ass, but out of what ive ridden, id take a 700 in a second,they still need to be widended out though, my friend has his +2's and lonestar axle, very nice machine, i think too many banshee die hards think 400ex when they think of 4 strokes and they dont even give these new ones a chance, they just bash them no matter what